687 FICO and 10.75% auto loan?

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by quigs, Dec 2, 2003.

  1. quigs

    quigs Well-Known Member

    I applied for an auto loan today at the local Honda dealership for a used vehicle 2001. The vehicle is below blue book and was for 16k. I have several large credit cards with below 50% usage and have been getting 0.0% offers from prime cards. I have a 687, saw it today on the credit report that the dealer pulled. He told me that with a 687 score, the best he could do was 10.75%. Does this sound like a ripoff? I appreciate any responses.
     
  2. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Sounds a bit high.

    Do you have negatives?

    ???

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  3. jenz

    jenz Well-Known Member

    what is the trade-in value on it? were you putting any money down? have you moved or started a new job recently?

    its not the FICO, its the Internal Scorecard.

    if you don't mind the inquiries you can have him shop the application or look for financing yourself. often times, if the dealer sells a vehicle for a rate higher than the lender would offer the dealer gets the kick-back. get the lender name and phone number and call them yourself and ask about the rate.
     
  4. thickman66

    thickman66 Well-Known Member

    Rates are higher on used cars but they should not be that high....maybe 4-7% max, but 10%+ sounds like a rip off.
     
  5. BkinAk

    BkinAk Member

    Well, several factors come into play with the interest rate, but it does seem a bit high to me.

    We filed bk7 in October of last year, discharged in February of this year. Took out a loan to buy my 97 Explorer in July and the interest rate is 11.25% through our credit union. FICO was around 585 or so.
     
  6. quigs

    quigs Well-Known Member

    This was a sleezball operation so I bet the kickback thing was going on. They didn't make much money off me today, so I think they figured on doing this to me. I applied with my credit union one year ago for a simliliar loan and a 674 and got a good rate. I will be going there tomorrow for the 4.75%. I just thought this was rather high for a FICO of 687. I once had a 590 before creditnet and recieved 15% on a vehicle, but today just didn't seem right. Thanks for the responses.
     
  7. DanS

    DanS Well-Known Member

    FWIW, I bought a 2000 Accord in April, 2 years post Ch7 BK, scores were low 600s. Got a 12% loan from Chase w/2500 down, 9500 borrowed.
     
  8. sam

    sam Well-Known Member

    used car 704 score at CU yielded 39-72 months @ 4.25% APR $0 down, certified check to any dealer or person.

    36 months @ 3.75%

    25K was the requested and approved amount. Please try your CU and equifax dispute trick before you waste inquiries. I just got denied a card that i really wanted because i was "car shopping" and yes, they counted every individual inquiry against me. They = amex.
     
  9. tonyd

    tonyd Well-Known Member

    Ya'll need to ckout this site I found just yesterday, it's very informative!

    http://www.carbuyingtips.com/car1.htm

    I certainly learned a few things! It gives approximates on what scores should get what APR's. You should find it helpful. :)
     
  10. Hedwig

    Hedwig Well-Known Member

    I agree about the credit union. I bought a new car last year. I'm not sure what my score was then, but the dealer said the best they could do was 8%. The credit union gave me the loan at 5.5%. And the credit union loan is simple interest, I'm willing to bet that the dealer's financing used the Rule of 78 to compute interest.
     
  11. SCMomof5

    SCMomof5 Well-Known Member

    I used to work in a dealership. The finance guy works on commission as well. They get notification of what interest rate the bank will sell the note to the dealer for.... they then add a point or a few points hoping to sucker you into it. They get the difference the loan brings.
    That interest rate is too high!
     
  12. chipper

    chipper Well-Known Member

    Sounds like you are doing your homework. Nice going. Higher rates for used cars is true, although it is more on the urban legend side of the spectrum. Buy rates (what the dealer pays for money) are usually 4.25% for new cars and 4.75% for a car that is a year old. Each year older averages to about .25% higher, so one can see that although used car rates are higher, they are really not much higher.

    Legally, the dealership can only make 3 points off you - meaning if you qualify for 4.75%, they will hit you with 7.75% and no more.

    Since auto loans are purely score driven, I would expect to see you in the 5-6% range. The 7% range, with good credit would only be appropriate if you are a 'credit ghost' or a first-time buyer.
     
  13. doublejae

    doublejae Active Member

    Please, please don't believe the lie that the dealers will tell you, either, that all inquiries if you "shop" only count as one hit. Bull#$%&. Found that out the hard way. Go to your credit union, and arrive at the dealership with your loan in your hand. You'll be in much better position to negotiate on the price of the car......you also didn't let us know mileage of the vehicle, options, etc.....

    A good resource to check out is www.kbb.com. You can ascertain the value of the car that the *dealer* probably put into it.....(estimated).....subtract that from what they quoted and that is how much they're hitting you with. Depending on trade-ins, etc.....there are people on this board that can tell you if you're getting ripped off.

    Buying a car is a two-part process. It sounds like your CU will fix you up with your loan, the most important part. Now you can get down to the nitty-gritty with them.....the actual car buying.

    Good luck.
     
  14. quigs

    quigs Well-Known Member

    Went to the CU today and got the loan for 4.75%, they agreed that the 10.75% was ludicrous. I appreciate all the help.
     

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