Butch??? Anyone? I'm desperate!!!

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by bubbles23, Feb 24, 2004.

  1. bubbles23

    bubbles23 Active Member

    I have a bad account on my credit report that is not mine (not even a chance that it's mine). I have been disputing this with the CRA's since 06/03. It keeps coming back verified by the OC. I have contacted the OC 7 times asking for proof of debt with absolutely NO response from them. They don't list it as disputed on my report ever. They do however verify with the CRA's everytime I dispute it with them. The CRA's also never sent me anything when I send procedure request letters. What are my options to get this removed? Can I send an estoppel letter since the OC has NEVER responded to me in anyway? Aren't there NUMEROUS violations of the FCRA here?? I am at the end of my rope!!! I want to purchase a home soon and this could through a wrench into those plans.
     
  2. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    Sue them. Who is the OC?
     
  3. cexume

    cexume Well-Known Member

    may be you can make your down payment on them... sue their asses including CRAs.... make sure you have a solid paper trail...........
     
  4. bubbles23

    bubbles23 Active Member

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  5. bubbles23

    bubbles23 Active Member

    I am going to send both the OC, the OC's registered agent, the CRA's, and the CRA's registered agent an intent to sue letter and see if I get a response. If not I will sue. Does anyone have a good example to use for reference? I can only find the intent to file complaint letter and I have already filed a complaint with the FTC against Eqfx and Exp.
     
  6. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Hi Bubbles,

    Sorry I missed you.

    Welcome to the board.


    Sorta depends on what kind of account this is too. In any case tho, no OC may simply ignore your requests for info.

    You do have numerous violations here, so you can pretty much do whatever you want.

    First question then, whatcha wanna do?

    Resolve this or sue them? Not everyone wants to pursue legal action, understandable. But of course it may be the only way.

    lol

    ???

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  7. bubbles23

    bubbles23 Active Member

    My main goal is to have this removed from my credit report. I would like to have it resolved without having to sue but if necessary I will file suit. It is a closed end loan account as far as I can tell. It says installment account on the credit report.
     
  8. bubbles23

    bubbles23 Active Member

    Butch, please help!! They just added this account to my Trans Union report!!!
     
  9. rondaben

    rondaben Well-Known Member

    Ok...here we go.

    If you want to get this taken care of, you need to get nasty. It has been proven that round after round of disputes will get you nowhere with the CRA and OC in your case.

    Do you have copies of the disputes you have filed with the OC and CRAs? That would be very helpful if you did. Also, if you have sent requests for procedures, keep those letters handy as well.

    Send a letter to the OC in the following vein--"

    Dear Sir/Madam:

    I have repeatedly contacted you concerning a account which you have been incorrectly reporting on my credit file since 6/03. Included with this letter are the letters I have sent to you dated xxxx,xxxxx,xxxxx,xxxxx and xxxxx.

    This reporting by your company has caused irreparable damage to my reputation, ability to seek credit, and has personally effected my emotional and family life. I will no longer tolerate this deliberate damage which you have inflicted and continue to perpetrate to this very day. I have reported this reprehensible activity to the Better Business Bureau and my State Attorney General.

    I hereby demand that you:

    1) Immediately remove this tradeline from my account.

    2) Provide to me on corporate letterhead a statement that this account is not mine and that I do not currently nor have I ever had an account with your company.

    3) Immediately contact all major credit bureaus (Experian, Equifax, and Trans Union) and assure that these accounts are removed from my credit file. I require copies of these letters to be returned to me as well.

    4) Provide letters to each and every person who has legally accessed my credit report since 6/03 stating that this derogatory information was improperly reported on my credit file. The list of these inquires are included on the attached page. I require copies of each and every letter sent to these companies.

    5) If the above mentioned actions are taken within ten (10) business days from the receipt of this letter I will consider this manner satisfied. If, however you fail to contact me within that time period I will be forced to file a lawsuit in order to obtain relief from your illegal actions. I will seek statutory damages under the FCRA, FDCPA, as well as any and all state regulations. I will seek the maximum amount allowable under these statutes, compensation for legal fees, and punitive damages as a jury may find permissible.

    THank you very much for your attention to this serious matter.

    You"

    draft a letter to the CRA in the same manner. If they don't fix it with this, the only way they will is by the direct order of a judge.

    Hope this helps.
     
  10. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Hi Bubbles,

    As much as I hate to say it there really does come a time where you're out of options.

    One thing I've noticed, especially lately, is when we're out of options so many of you guy's are "looking for more options".

    Tell me why they should take you seriously at this point?

    And then ask yourself, what needs to happen at this point to relieve them of their misconception that you don't have the ovaries to sue their asses?

    hmmm?

    Some people are thrust into greatness, even against their will. You might be one of em.

    Follow Ronda, it's worth a try. But on the 11th day you'll need to get filed, sorry. They just don't care what your problem is until the Sheriff delivers the message.

    :)

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  11. caldric

    caldric Active Member

    Looks like a could case to get some more down payment on that house. :)
     
  12. crowmom

    crowmom Well-Known Member

    bubbles,

    what butch said is so true. I was one of those 'thrust' into all this when TeleCheck listed something on my report that was, like in your case, not mine. I wrote and wrote, called, begged and pleaded, and nothing worked. I finally gritted my teeth and sent an ITS, along with all prior, ignored correspondence, highlighted portions of FCRA & FDCPA statutes, precedents, FTC opinion, copies of green cards (dont forget those!) a list of violations and damages, and an amount that I firmly believed I could sue them for, and win.

    it worked. not only did i get the TL removed, thereby getting out of paying a bogus $300 debt, (can you believe I almost just paid it to be rid of it?!) but I also received an offer to settle out of court.

    Ronda's sample letter is great, and I sort of combined that approach with the tone of LizardKing's approach. its the frustrated 'little guy' who's run into a brick wall, and just hates that he has to file a lawsuit, but its the only way he'll be listened to and taken seriously. Remember...a human being will be reading your letter, and they have the ability to empathize. I really believe that has something to do with it. (just don't go overboard and become a whiner, lol)
    here's a link: http://consumers.creditnet.com/straighttalk/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13183
     
  13. bubbles23

    bubbles23 Active Member

    So the letter that Rondaben posted is for an OC and the lizardking letter that there was a like to, is more for the CRA. I will send a letter to both.
    I have copies of everything. I am going to write up some letters and send them right away. I just want to make sure of the violations here. They are knowingly reporting incorrect info and they never responded to my procedure request letters on the CRA end. And for the OC, they are willing reporting an incorrect information. They also never had the account marked disputed. Anyone see any others I missed? Thanks to all!!!
     
  14. rondaben

    rondaben Well-Known Member

    sure..those violations are great to recover money on. Also list that they have harmed your ability to gain credit, emotional distress, humiliation, and loss of productivity because of repetitive unanswered complaints.

    These tort violations are the guys that will get you the big bucks with punitive damages. You might mention that you will file a FEDERAL law suit in this matter, not just a small claims or state suit. It takes longer and is a bit more expensive but filing Fed improves your chances for a settlement. It is also being ran by judges familiar with the FCRA and FDCPA violations where a state judge may not be. Also mention that you will demand trial by jury. They won't relish the thought of explaining themselves to 12 other people just like you.
     
  15. bubbles23

    bubbles23 Active Member

    I faxed an intent to sue letter to Equifax so far on this. This is the response I got from Vicki Banks.

    As indicated in my last coorespondence to you, I have contacted XYZ Company this morning to get verification on the disputed XYZ Company account. XYZ Company has informed me that as of March 1, 2004 you have just made a claim with their company that the disputed account was indeed fraudulent.
    Please contact XYZ Company, request a fraud packet from their office and submit the appropriate affidavits of fraud from their office for an immediate
    investigation. The account will remain as part of the credit file until XYZ Company has notified us otherwise.


    So now what??? I contacted the company many times. I have my letters and copies of the certified mail receipt and green card that shows they got the letters!!! The last letter sent to the company even says in it, if there is any paperwork I need to sign about this account not being mine to please forward it to me. That was sent the begining of January!!! They never responded!!!! The company is obviously lying and I can prove it!!! I haven't gotten a response from anyone else I set the letter to.
     
  16. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Bubbles,

    OK ... go over here;

    Federal Template: Maximum Possible Accuracy!

    ... copy and paste the template. Then revise it to show excatly what happened in your case. Be as specific as possible. Also keep track of how much time it takes you to do it. Don't worry about cites or case law, we can do that later.

    When ya get that done email me and I'll take a look.

    ok?

    :)

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  17. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    At least you have received a specific detailed description of what the CRA claims they did to verify.

    You might as well proceed assuming that this will go to court, since the appearance that you have your ducks in a row is a strong lever to force either of the CRA or OC to fold. Since a home loan is at stake, potentially significant damages are accruing, which you may need to establish in order to collect any compensation. Build your paper trail, all CRRR. Realize that both CRA and OC will probably try to avoid any liability by pointing at the other, or at you for not doing it right, despite the bad TL not being yours.

    You want to establish in writing that both parties knew, or should have known, that their routine responses were not resolving the issue, and thus their procedures to maintain accuracy were clearly not adequate or reasonable. Thus set things up for both to look incompetant by both notifying the CRA of all the requests you have sent to the OC with no response (itemize) to indicate that their "helpful" suggestion putting the ball back in your court was not adequate given the OCs failure to respond, and request both validation details and put the OC on notice that the account may be fraudulent, as suggested by the CRA, to exhaust all excuses the CRA might use. You might also copy the OC the letter from the CRA and your reply to the CRA, and copy the CRA your letter to the OC, along with perhaps your first letter to the OC, to establish that this has gone on long enough. The OC sending only a fraud affidavit, and no account information, is also not an adequate response by them, as you have no information to determine if someone is stealing your identity, or on what basis the account of another was attributed to you.

    Since this has already dragged on beyond the usual required response times, push all parties to respond quickly. If they can't fix things fast, it costs you more money, and pushing it into the courts becomes necessary to resolve this.
     
  18. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Ontrack is right on.

    As soon as Bubbles gets her template done, it will be the beginnings of a lawsuit.

    Sending a copy and the "One last chance to correct letter" (ie. LTS) will hopefully do the trick.

    If not - lawsuit time.

    :)

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  19. bubbles23

    bubbles23 Active Member

    Today I checked PG and Experian has now changed my address to what the company I am disputing has!!! Isn't that kind of odd?? I send them an intent to sue letter and they change my address to match the address on the account I am disputing!! Well of course now it will be verified! How can they do that???
     
  20. bubbles23

    bubbles23 Active Member

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