Can I sue 3 times for 3 violations?

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  1. SUNHAWK

    SUNHAWK Well-Known Member

    I previously asked a question about how much I am able to obtain from a collection agency in a lawsuit. I mentioned that the collection agency did the following: failed to update my account as being in dispute, contacted me during the validation period with a collection letter, and they made a hard inquiry into my credit report during the validation period with a permissible purpose of collections.

    From my last post, it appears, even if they made 15 violations, I can only sue them up to $1000 in small claims court (based on the FDCPA) per case.

    Therefore, I am wondering, since all three violations took place on different dates, could I take them to court 3 different times and look for a $1000 in each court proceeding or do you think it would be better to take my chances at just one preceding with 3 violations...in which case, I may be able to convince the judge that each violation is $1000 as opposed to the limit on the entire case is $1000.

    Any opinions?
     
  2. ADiliegro

    ADiliegro Active Member

    I could be wrong, but it seems to me like they had 3 violations on 3 different days, you would be able to obtain 3 different suits. I dont think you can combine them into one, but I could be wrong.
     
  3. zyzy1688

    zyzy1688 Well-Known Member

    Correct me if I am wrong vets ( doc,George...)
    I believe you can sue them all at once for 3 violation= $ 3000, the $1000 is per violation, not per case. unless your state has a limits on small claims, in CA is $5000-
     
  4. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

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  5. pnwman

    pnwman Well-Known Member

    !. Courts expect you to bring all actions in a case in one suit. If the other side continues to violate the law after the first suit THEN you can bring an additional suit.

    2. It is $25 to $1000 per violation. You can ask for $3000 for 3 violations just don't expect to get it. Please note PP is an exception and certain states allow higher amounts.
     
  6. SUNHAWK

    SUNHAWK Well-Known Member

    The law is very foggy on the issue of $1000 per violation or $1000 per case. Do you have anything specific that could be referenced to support the viewpoint of a per violation stance? I would like to have something I can use in court in case this issue arises?
     
  7. pnwman

    pnwman Well-Known Member

    I haven't researched the case law however the experience of several CNers is that except with the exemptions mentioned above the court will consider it a maximum of $1,000 per case.
     
  8. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Guys,

    This is not always just a cut & dry, either or issue.

    Among the numerous components of your complaint which is carefully taken into consideration by the judge (or at least supposed to be) is the frequency and outright blatent disregard for your rights as demonstrated by your adversary.

    If their behavior is so dispicable the verdict might very well be $1,000 per violation.

    This is why we elicit as many violations as we can get. Sue for ALL of them, just don't expect to get more than $1,000, as has been stated.


    However under most circumstances yes, it's up to $1,000 per ACTION.

    Action = suit.

    There's a good essay on this. I'll try and find it.

    :)
     
  9. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Here ya go:

    It May be Easy, But it's Not Going to Make Anyone Rich

    by Ron Sargis, CAC Legal Counsel
    Collector's Ink, November 2001

    http://www.calcollectors.net/maybeeasy.htm

    Recently, I had two consumer attorneys question my inerpretation of the FDCPA. This was on a fairly fundamental FDCPA question, something that we havenâ??t argued seriously with any consumer attorneys for a number of years. After getting over the shock of a consumer attorney questioning my opinion (as if that doesnâ??t happen every day), I realized that this well could be the situation where a whole new generation of consumer attorneys were addressing some of these issues for the first time.

    The issue raised was whether the FDCPA statutory damages were computed at (up to) $1,000.00 per alleged violation or a maximum of $1,000.00 irrespective of the number of violations. As many of you recall, for years we have been teaching in the CAC legal schools that it was a maximum of $1,000.00 irrespective of the number of violations (unless the matter is brought as a class action). This issue has been established for so long, that I was surprised when these consumer attorneys said that they could "find no authority" for that proposition. Neither attorney struck me as being the type to make wild statements contrary to the law, so I went back to double check on this point.

    Anytime a debt collector is trying to interpret the FDCPA, the place to start is with the FDCPA itself. We look to the plain language of the statute. Section 813(a)(2)(B) of the FDCPA [15 USC 1692k] states:



    813 Civil liability



    (a) Except as otherwise provided by this section, any debt collector who fails to comply with any provision of this title with respect to any person is liable to such person in an amount equal to the sum of+...



    (2)(A) in the case of any action My Note: -> Right there is the problem! by an individual, such additional damages as the court may allow, but not exceeding $1,000; or [balance of paragraph relates to class actions]



    On its face, this section says that in any "action" the court may allow the additional damages [commonly called the "statutory damages"] of up to $1,000.00. In both common parlance and legal terminology, an action refers to a lawsuit, not individual allegations in the lawsuit. There are also legal principals that prevent a plaintiff from splitting causes of actions. That principle requires a plaintiff to bring all of his or her claims arising out of the same facts or circumstances in one action, not multiple lawsuits.

    On its face, the statute appears to state that the maximum amount of statutory damages is $1,000.00 in the entire action. Though the consumer attorney said they had not seen any authority for such an interpretation of the FDCPA, running a search of the federal cases quickly turned up several published decisions interpreting this language. All of the decisions are consistent with the plain language of the statute. To provide the agencies and their counsel with something more than "my opinion" of what the cases say, I have included pertinent quotes from the cases.

    In Wright v. Finance Service of Norwalk, 22 F.3d 647 (6th Cir. 1994), the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals throughly addressed the issue. This analysis is cited to in most of the other cases, irrespective in which Circuit the court is situated.



    In this case, we find that the language of the statute is reasonably plain. The words of 15 U.S.C. § 1692k(a)(2)(A) simply state that damages, above and beyond all actual damages, may not exceed $1,000 "in the case of any action by an individual." Congress certainly knows how to write statutes that make each separate violation subject to a separate penalty, or even that make each separate day of a violation a separate offense subject to a separate penalty... Thus, even were we to need to consult legislative history, this absence of an intent contrary to the plain meaning of the words indicates that Congress intended to limit "other damages" to $1,000 per proceeding, not to $1,000 per violation.

    Other sections of the FDCPA support this conclusion. For example, the statute provides, in part, that "n determining the amount of liability in any action [under § 1692k(a)(2)(A) ] ... the court shall consider, among other relevant factors ..., the frequency and persistence of noncompliance...." 15 U.S.C. § 1692k(b)(1). The provision requiring courts to consider "frequency and persistence of noncompliance" in "any action" suggests that Congress envisioned situations such as this case, namely where repeated violations are the subject of a single proceeding...

    Consequently, the terms of the statute indicate that Wrightâ??s recovery for additional damages is limited to $1,000 per proceeding. All the courts publishing opinions on this issue have reached a similar result. See Harper v. Better Business Servs., Inc., 961 F.2d 1561 (11th Cir.1992); Beattie v. D.M. Collections, Inc., 764 F.Supp. 925 (D.Del.1991); Donahue v. NFS, Inc., 781 F.Supp. 188 (W.D.N.Y.1991); Whatley v. Universal Collection Bureau, Inc., supra; Harvey v. United Adjusters, 509 F.Supp. 1218 (D.Or.1981)...

    Accordingly, we hold that 15 U.S.C. § 1692k(a)(2)(A) limits a plaintiffâ??s additional damages to $1,000 "per proceeding" rather than "per violation." Such a limitation may, at first blush, seem to minimize the deterrent value of this statute in preventing debt collection abuses; we observe, however, that other provisions of the statute allow a plaintiff to recover all actual damages (§ 1692k(a)(1)), costs (§ 1692k(a)(3)), and attorneyâ??s fees (ibid.). This is sufficient deterrence that we should not lightly assume that Congress misstated its intent in the clear language of § 1692k(a)(2)(A).

    Continued:
     
  10. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Continued:


    Other published decisions holding that the consumer plaintiff is entitled to a maximum of $1,000.00 in statutory damages for the case, not per each violation, include the following cases.



    Harper v. Better Business Services, Inc., 961 F.2d 1561 (11th Cir. 1992):



    But when the language of a statute is so clear, that text must control unless there is a clearly expressed legislative intent to the contrary. [citations omitted]... Accordingly, we hold that the district court properly limited Harperâ??s additional damages award to $1,000 under the language of the FDCPA.



    Broadnax v. Greene Credit Service, 106 F.3d 400 (6th Cir. 1997) [unpublished opinion]:



    Section 1692k(a)(2)(A) provides that a person violating the FDCPA is liable for, "in the case of any action by an individual, such additional damages as the court may allow, but not exceeding $1,000." 15 U.S.C. § 1692k(a)(2)(A) (emphasis added). Statutory damages are thus limited to $1,000 per action, not per violation.



    Powell v. Computer Credit, Inc., 975 F.Supp. 1034, (SD OH 1997):



    A civil cause of action is authorized for violations of the FDCPA. 15 U.S.C. § 1692k(a) provides for actual damages, statutory damages not exceeding $1000, and attorneyâ??s fees and costs. Statutory damages are limited to $1000 per proceeding, not per violation.



    White v. Bruck, 927 F.Supp., 1168 (WD Wis 1996). Long citation to cases holding that $1,000.00 in total statutory damages is maximum which consumer plaintiff may recover for entire action.



    Harvey v. United Adjusters, 509 F.Supp. 1218 (D. Or 1981):



    t appears that the intent of Congress is that in an aggravated case of persistent and repeated illegal practices, the full $1,000 should be awarded; in other cases the Court has discretion to award any amount less than that or nothing at all in addition to actual damages.



    McDaniel v. Asset Retrieval of Flordia,1996 WL 7001
    (E.D.La 1996):



    FN1. Plaintiff suggests that the Court may award statutory damages of $1,000 per violation. The Court finds that the proper statutory interpretation of Section 1692k(a)(2) is $1,000 per proceeding.



    The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals referenced the maximum statutory damages in its recent decision, Crabill v. Trans Union LLC, 259 F.3d 662 (7th Cir. 2001). In this case the plaintiff consumer alleged that the debt collector had committed multiple violations of the FDCPA, filing the action in his individual capacity and as a class action. After the case was filed and class certification denied, Trans Union made a $1,000.00 full statutory damages settlement offer, plus reasonable costs and attorneys fees as awarded by the court.

    It appears, that while the consumer and consumer attorney may want to assert that the statutory damages should be multiplied by the violations, the courts which have addressed the issue have held to the contrary. When taken in light of the FDCPA and the intended impact on both consumers and debt collectors, such an interpretation makes sense. While it is easy to create and establish a violation of the FDCPA, the statutory damages are not intended to "punish" the debt collector. The "punishment" to the agency occurs in a number of ways: paying the consumerâ??s attorneys fees, class action liability, or administrative action taken by the FTC.

    Rather, the statutory damages recognize that many of the FDCPA violations do not cause any significant damages to a consumer, so a modest amount of money may be ordered to be paid irrespective of damages. This allows the consumer and consumerâ??s attorney to reasonably handle the case to assuage the minor damages. There is no intention to allow the debtor to get rich or turn an FDCPA violation into a payday. â?¢â?¢


    :)
     
  11. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Oh - Also the concept of "Res Judicata" dictates that all action against an adversary must be brought within the same action.

    That doesn't mean, however, that you can't elicit even more violations, after the first action, and then get em again.

    HTH.

    :)
     
  12. jason_l

    jason_l Well-Known Member

    damn butch, you're the man! good job
     
  13. SUNHAWK

    SUNHAWK Well-Known Member

    Thanks Butch!!! So, basically, what I am gathering is, even though, technically, it is a $1000 limit per suit, I can try to sue for $1000 per violation in a single lawsuit and I may get lucky. If not, at least I can get $1000 (hopefully).
     
  14. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Basically yeah.

    If you get to court try and convince the judge that these are the worst people in the history of the human race and deserve to be slammed but good.

    Outline each violation seperately of course.

    Go for $1,000 per violation. MAKE YOUR ADVERSARY BRING UP THE $1,000 PER ACTION DEFENSE!

    Don't forget though, just because you only get awarded $1,000 they also have to go through all the expense of defending the action, perhaps paying THEIR lawyer, and all the administrative stuff, which all costs them money.

    Your total impact on them will be worth far more than the judge awards.

    On a tight case I'd go retain a lawyer and demand reimbursement for him too. This only serves to increase the pain.

    The idea is to get them to "throw up there hands because it's just not worth it, and settle with you."

    Whatever you can do to increase their discomfort only serves this end. Making money on this stuff is a tuffy anyway. I presume what we're all here to do is get our reports perfected. The threat of costing money and time is just leverage for you to get your deletion.

    I mean what would YOU do? Go through all this crap with a nutcase litigant and maybe pay money, or just take 5 minutes out of your schedule, fill out a UDF, and make it all go away.

    We want to present as wide a contrast as we can between these two decisions. Make it easy for them to make the right choice. :)

    Good luck. Keep us posted.

    :)
     
  15. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    In fact I did this with a CA once. IN THEIR OFFICE!

    Which would you rather do? Fight me in federal district court, discovery, interrogatories, jury trial, lawyers fees. Why - I'LL HAVE YOU PEOPLE HIRING 3 NEW ATTYS. JUST TO LOOK UP DOCUMENTS FOR THE NEXT 2 YEARS - DAMMIT.

    Or, just fill this out little ole UDF and be done with it.


    I got my way.

    LOL
     
  16. SUNHAWK

    SUNHAWK Well-Known Member

    I agree. My intent actually is not to sue anybody. Although it would be very nice to get some money out of this, I just want to make sure that the CA's remove their listing permanently and I will be happy.

    Thanks for all your help!
     

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