Continued Collection??

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by icanfixit, Mar 30, 2006.

  1. icanfixit

    icanfixit Well-Known Member

    I got a letter from a CA in Feb. I sent a request for validation (CMRR) to them the next day. I also put in that letter that they are not allowed to call me at work and that all contact needs to be via mail. They received it well within the 30 day time period.
    I got NO reaponse from them until today, I get a phone call AT WORK from the same CA saying that they are wondering when I am going to pay this debt and they claim that they are going to sue me for it.

    This would be continued collection correct(FDCPA 809b) ? They have not validated the debt and are still trying to collect it. Would it be only one violation or could I get them for the contined collection AND calling me at work when I notified them that they can't?
     
  2. Always

    Always Well-Known Member

    Did you memorialize the conversation? If not, do it. Is there any way you can record them at your workplace phone?

    And you have the green card back, too?

    Violations, violations....
     
  3. icanfixit

    icanfixit Well-Known Member

    Yes, I got the signed green card back. I wrote down what the lady said and my response. Thanks!
     
  4. Always

    Always Well-Known Member

    (If you can, include time, date, location and reconstruct the conversation in a neutral "they said/I said" format.)

    Prepare to record at home.

    Sounds like these people are just itching to make you richer.
     
  5. icanfixit

    icanfixit Well-Known Member

    I will definately do that! Thanks so much!
     
  6. icanfixit

    icanfixit Well-Known Member

    Okay, Now I am furious!!!!! I sent out the ITS letter 2 days ago! Today I get a message on my WORK voicemail from the CA's attorney claiming that I need to call them back today!! I actually didn't know who the voicemail was from. It just gave the man's name, the phone number and that I needed to call right away. So I called the number back and a gal answered, she didn't say the name of the company so I asked her where I was calling. She told me the name of the CA's attorney. She said they are located in the same building as the CA.
    So now I just got them on another violation. I don't know what to do know since I have already mailed the ITS letter.
    Do I send another one or do I just sue them? Please help!!
     
  7. Always

    Always Well-Known Member

    If you sent an ITS, then follow-through on it.

    Gather the evidence of the violations, note the name, time, etc.

    If you've never filed pro se, or you think you may be out-of-your-league going it alone, go to a FCRA & FDCPA attorney. Bring copies of the letters received & sent, the green card, and the conversations. [Actual transcripts or the memorialized conversations]

    You have the violations. While there's no sure thing in litigation, and most civil cases are settled out of court, you would recover your lawyer's fees and costs, too.

    In the meantime, keep recording or memorializing their conversations and let them keep piling up the violations.
     
  8. icanfixit

    icanfixit Well-Known Member

    In my county and state we are required to file this in small claims where you can't have a lawyer. I sent the ITS based on the violation of the first call. Now since I have another violation do I just ignore it and wait and see if they settle with me on the one violation?
    I would like to get them for both. This CA is notorious for not following the FDCPA.
     
  9. Always

    Always Well-Known Member

    What are you basing this claim on? What state statute demands that you *must* file in small claims court for FDCPA violations?

    You've got documentation that shows just how seriously they take violating federal law and threats of ITS.

    You're piling up evidence of violation, after violation, and it seems to be continuing in your situation. If you ignore it, it will continue.

    ITS letters come into CA offices all the time, and the ones that get attention are those that have a Summons attached.

    If you've never been into court, even small claims court, go now. The local District Court schedule is online, you can sit in the back, and you're able to observe just how CA lawyers operate in the courtroom.

    If this is uncharted territory for you, don't be intimidated by it or by compiling the evidence.
     
  10. icanfixit

    icanfixit Well-Known Member

    My local Clerk of Courts office said I need to file in small claims for the violations if the total is $5000 or less. Is that maybe not correct?
     
  11. Always

    Always Well-Known Member

    It is possible it's not correct and it'd be worth your time to talk to a FCRA & FDCPA attorney in your area.

    There's a time limit on these cases - if you snooze, you lose.

    It never hurts to get your info, copies of the evidence, the time-line, and to talk to an attorney about your potential case.

    Find out how your evidence stacks up with an attorney because you not only have these violations on the record - you will probably have more in the upcoming days.
     
  12. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Hi Ican, LTNS. : )

    Follow Always.

    He has you on exactly the right track.

    In the meantime just relax. About how much is this for?

    ???
     
  13. knielsen74

    knielsen74 Well-Known Member

    FCRA and FDCPA violations are FEDERAL questions and can be (and IMO should be) filed in a Federal District Court. If the CA is serious about defending, chances are, they'll remove the case to District anyway. Talk to an attorney or the US District Court Clerk in your area for clarification.
     
  14. icanfixit

    icanfixit Well-Known Member

    It is only for about $750. It is an account that I know isn't mine. It has been sent to at least 4 CA's in the past 3 years and NONE have ever validated it. This CA is the only one that has kept calling and is now threatening to sue me for the debt.
     
  15. knielsen74

    knielsen74 Well-Known Member

    And they've violated several times, from what your posts say. Are they reporting to the CRAs? Just as Always said, if you're not sure, talk to a consumer atty with expertise in FDCPA and FCRA.

    If they're also reporting to the CRAs erroneously, then you may have a relatively big case.
     
  16. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Here's what's happening;

    It's weird. A debt began as a collection, years ago, and failing to collect the CA sold the "account" to a subsequent CA, which then tries to collect. Failing that THEY sell the account to another CA who then tries to coll .... and on and on.

    You'll need to hang on here Ican. This'll take some effort, sorry to say.

    I'll get back to ya.

    : )
     
  17. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    We're going to have to design an entirely new letter, in light of the FTC's new "Safeguards Rule".

    Been dredding this.

    lol
     
  18. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    "It is only for about $750. It is an account that I know isn't mine. It has been sent to at least 4 CA's in the past 3 years and NONE have ever validated it. This CA is the only one that has kept calling and is now threatening to sue me for the debt."

    And this might be the best situation to finally bury this zombie.

    As you can see, the economic dilemma is that it may cost over $750 to deal with a debt that could be paid off at $750.

    The problem is:
    1) It is not your debt.
    2) Paying a debt that is not yours leaves you with damaged credit just as if it was yours.

    The value to resolve this once and for all is thus greater than $750. As a guess, let's estimate it might cost you another $1000 due to bad loan or insurance terms, far more in lost opportunity costs if you can't get a mortgage or get turned down for a job.

    When a CA starts piling up FDCPA and FCRA violations, the possibilities shift:
    1) You now might obtain damages
    2) You might also obtain attorney's fees
    3) Because of (1) and (2), you have more leverage to force an agreement.

    The difference between your two main choices, sue, or pay, is thus the difference between $-1750 and possibly $+(several thousand). It starts becoming worth your time.

    For the CA, the difference between their response to your action moves from $+750, but $0 if you don't pay, but no risk, to $-5K to $-10K paid to you and your attorney if you sue, and additional $ to their attorney.

    If you want to deal with this once and for all, the time to do so is when you can show violations and damages, before SOL expires on your filing suit.
     
  19. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Yeah,

    After some thought I'd say go get you an atty. Ican.

    The guys are right. It's your best shot at killing this issue once and for all.

    : )
     
  20. icanfixit

    icanfixit Well-Known Member

    They aren't reporting on any of my credit reports, yet. I am sure it won't be long though. I am going to search online for a lawyer with FDCPA experiance. There aren't any in my state.
     

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