Credit card dispute mishandled - do I have to pay it back?

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Dile, Mar 25, 2007.

  1. Dile

    Dile New Member

    I filed credit card disputes for two related charges, 6 months after the charges were made, based on services not providing the benefits promised, after spending 2 months trying to contact the merchant to obtain a refund. The credit card company posted temporary credits to my account for both disputes. Within a month, three adjustments were made to my account for the $995 disputed amount, showing a negative â??adjustment to your account,â? positive â??reversal of temporary creditâ? and positive â??repost of disputed transactionâ?, with the effect of denying the dispute. The other amount, $2,500, showed only two adjustments, a negative â??adjustment to your accountâ? and a positive â??reversal of temporary credit.â? I received no other information on the resolution of the disputes.

    On the advice of an attorney, I sent a letter to the credit card company within 10 days requesting the status of all disputes filed by me in the last six months and appealing the $995 that was re-posted.

    The credit card company responded by adding the third entry for the $2,500 dispute amount, a positive â??repost of disputed transaction,â? more than a month after the original adjustments were posted, and sent me letters stating that the charges appeared to be correct. I believe now that the credit card company may have simply been negligent in not reposting the $2,500 when the other entries were posted to my account, but at the time, I assumed that the lack of re-posting meant that I had won the dispute in the absence of any other communications from the credit card company.

    They also sent me a letter which I received March 9 that said that they had processed a temporary charge to my account for the $995, and were "negotiating" with the merchant; they are usually successful, but might not be. This letter was dated the same date as the letter stating that the charge appeared to be correct, which I received on March 5. There has been no credit to my account for the $995, so I really don't know where I stand with this one.

    After receiving the statement showing the total credit balance for the account, I had asked for and received a refund of the credit balance, and used it to pay off the loan used to pay off the credit card company for the original charge (it was a much lower interest rate). I pay the entire balance each month, to avoid paying interest, and continued paying the monthly charges each month even when the disputed amounts were credited to my account.

    The $2,500 reposted amount is due April 5, 2007.

    Is it legal for me to refuse to re-pay the $2,500 reposted transaction, which I also appealed within 10 days? I have already stopped using the card, which was my main credit card, and do not intend to use it again.

    Will not paying the disputed amount affect my credit score (around 760)?

    If I do not pay the $2,500, can other credit card companies, with which I have 0% interest rates, but which have clauses in their terms allowing them to raise the rate astronomically if I do not pay any other credit card as agreed, raise their interest rates?

    Is there some way for me to continue disputing these charges?

    Does the credit card company accepting and working the dispute outside the legal time limit require them to follow the law, or are they just being "nice" and are not required to follow the law's time frames and procedures?

    Thanks for any help you can give me!
     
  2. phantom

    phantom Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure in almost all cardholder agreements there is a section that says you do not have to pay any portion of your bill that is in dispute. If you have appealed the $2500 my guess would be no. Also, a lot of companies have done away w/the universal default increase so I wouldn't worry about it, especially since your credit is so good. MTCW

    http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Banking/creditcardsmarts/P79885.asp
     
  3. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    Not all CC companies have done away with universal default clauses. Some, such as BofA, eliminated it a few years back. The recent change by Citi was announced just prior to their testimony in a Congressional hearing, so their feet were to the fire.

    If your CC company still allows it, find another.
     
  4. Dile

    Dile New Member

    Still worried

    The credit card company that mishandled the dispute was Discover. Today, I got a letter from them saying that based on the evidence I sent in the appeal letter they are not re-opening the dispute, but are reporting my account to the credit bureaus as disputed. However, they don't say whether they are talking about the $995 or $2,500. Discover used to be the only card I used, but probably not anymore! I could have accepted it if they'd just denied the dispute (not happily, though), but they've sent me conflicting information more than once.

    The credit card I'm worried about raising rates is Chase, and I know that when I opened the account last summer they had the clause where they could raise your rate to 30+% if you defaulted on ANY other "obligation", which I expect they would consider this to be. I took my home equity line of credit for about $6,000 and put it on one Chase card at 0% until October 2007 (good move at the time, as I saved about 9% interest), and charged another $2,499 of the disputed transaction to a 0% purchase Chase card (who haven't replied to my dispute on the $2,499 yet, but it was out of the legal time limit, and they DID reply to the one that was slightly outside the legal time limit, and I won that one - or I'll find out in about another 5 weeks if I really won it). I'm worried that Chase will raise the rates on both cards to an astronomical rate because I don't pay the Discover re-charge, because I can barely make the current payments.

    Also, I was planning to accept a solicitation for another 0% interest rate card before October, so I could keep the HELOC money at 0% until it's paid off, but will not paying the disputed amount keep credit card companies from sending me those solicitations, or approving me when I apply?

    Also, is there any place where you can complain about a credit card company not following the dispute procedure?
     
  5. ccbob

    ccbob Well-Known Member

    Beware of Chase.

    I will NEVER use them again (which is too bad because they sponser a CC for an airline we use alot).

    Without telling me, they lowered my credit limit while I had a transaction pending causing the transaction to go unpaid. That was more than embarassing.

    THEN they raised my rate to the default rate (29%).

    Then they closed the account.

    BAAAADDDDD.....

    RE: where to complain? FTC, your State Attorney General, take 'em to court.
     
  6. ccbob

    ccbob Well-Known Member

    RE: Universal defaults..

    I just got a CC offer in the mail that had a universal default clause.
    It went right into the shredder.

    So, they are not eliminating them completely.

    As one of the bankers said in the senate sub-committee hearings: They have hundreds of different rates, agreements, and contracts. Each targeted to different "sectors."
     
  7. Dile

    Dile New Member

    More info

    I had the bright idea that I could ask Discover to lower my interest rate to 0%, and then worry about whether I would pay the $2,500 after the due date of April 5, 2007, since paying the amount due over and above the $2,500 would cover the minimum payment, in the hopes I could get in to see an attorney with the required knowledge soon. I've been trying to get advice from an attorney through Pre-paid Legal for over 2 weeks now (the main Oklahoma firm who gave me the bad advice suddenly had a conflict of interest after I told them their advice lost me $2,500, although they didn't tell me THAT for a week after I first told them about the re-charge of the $2,500, and the first referral attorney was a criminal defense attorney who knows nothing about credit card disputes, who was busy last week and couldn't even look at my information to see that he couldn't help me until last Friday afternoon).

    Discover said that my interest rate was 18.24%, and the best they could offer me for the current balance was 17.994% - or 3.9% on new purchases, but who cares about new purchases? I'm worried about the $2,500 balance. When I asked if 17.994% was the best they could do, and mentioned the 0%/12 month introductory rate I had just found on the Internet for the exact card I have, he offered to send me a letter which I could fill out and return to ask for a lower rate. I guess they don't want my continued business - I've had the card since 1992, and used it as my main card for at least 10 years.

    So I called Chase, to boldly ask them what would happen if I didn't pay the disputed amount. The representative confirmed that they review information from credit bureaus periodically (but couldn't tell me when), and will raise the rate if a past due amount is reported. However, if the account is reported as disputed, AND I have a customer statement in the credit bureau's files about the dispute, they will not raise the rate. She said that the rate could be raised to anywhere between 8.99% fixed (where it would normally go after the 0% rate expires) and 29.99% variable. She didn't say that they would evaluate my customer statement, just that I needed to have one, but I'm guessing there's at least some evaluation, unless they just want to know that you are serious enough about it to contact the credit bureaus and submit your statement.

    The letter from Discover telling me they were reporting it as disputed to the credit bureaus did say which credit bureaus, and gave me phone numbers for them, so I guess I can call them to find out how to file the customer statements.
     
  8. mysterywal

    mysterywal New Member

    you CAN fight back....

    Yes, you have a right to refuse to pay the remaining amount due. Since Discover is BS'ing you, you can file a complaint with the regulatory agency who governs Discover, which I believe is the FDIC (www.fdic.gov) and you can file a consumer complaint, and trust me, it will be dealt with, banks don't like it if you report them to regulatory agencies, it stays on their permanant record even it they fix the problem.
     
  9. jshimmer

    jshimmer Well-Known Member

    Let me give you a little info about the LIARS and THIEVES at Chase:

    I was a Chase cardmember for the better part of 10 years.

    Three cards totalling ~$60K combined CL, perhaps 30% utilized.
    NEVER a late payment.
    NEVER a missed payment.
    NEVER a problem.
    NOT with Chase.
    NOT with ANY other credit card company.
    NOT with ANY other lender - mortage, cars, CU ... never.
    Scores: 690, 717, 696.

    Out of NOWHERE, Chase sent the "we're jacking your rate from 7.99% to 29.99%" letter.

    On EVERY card. For NO reason.

    I closed every single Chase account (they have to allow me to pay them off at the THEN rate) on the spot (after calling them and getting the runaround.

    All but one are now paid off. It's at 4.99% for life, and I'm milking it as long as I can, just to PISS them off.

    Chase SUCKS. They will bone you faster than a dog in heat. I will NEVER be a Chase customer again. NEVER.
     
  10. Dile

    Dile New Member

    More run-around: can't get terms and conditions timely

    After consulting two attorneys, it looks like my ability to not pay the $2,500 AND not get sued for the $2,500 plus 18.24% interest and attorney fees, etc. in the future may depend on the terms and conditions of the contract with Discover, not the federal law. It is hard to find an attorney who knows the consumer protection law!

    So I looked on Discover's web site for the terms and conditions and couldn't find them. I sent an email to their customer support asking the location of the terms and conditions on the web site. They said they would mail them to me, and I should receive them within 7-10 days. When I replied that I needed the information to decide whether to pay a disputed item or not, and the payment needed to be made by April 9, 2007, I was offered the chance to send the dispute information again. After two rounds, I was informed that they cannot e-mail or fax the terms and conditions to me, nor are they available on the Internet. I will have to wait for them to come by snail mail, which probably will not arrive soon enough for me to read them and decide what I want to do before the due date. My last suggestion to them was to re-post the disputes, thus reducing the balance of the account by the disputed amounts, so I wouldn't have to decide what to do until I get the current terms, which I'm sure have changed since my account was opened in 1992.

    I'll look into complaining to the FDIC - if I could get someone to actually look at the problem, I'd be thrilled, especially if they got in trouble for giving out such conflicting information. It seems like the complaint form for the FDC is merely for statistical purposes - they won't actually help me - so why bother?
     
  11. jshimmer

    jshimmer Well-Known Member

    Technically, it depends upon both.

    A contract might very well say just about anything, but if it doesn't comply with the various contract laws on the books, part or all of it can/may not be enforceable.

    For example, a contract that includes a promise to perform an act that is illegal is not an enforceable contract - it is a void contract.

    Or a contract that includes repayment terms that violate usury laws (interest rates OVER the maximum allowed by law). In some states, a contract like this results in the OC only being able to collect the principal plus any interest up to the amount allowed by law, while others states will only allow the (violating) creditor to collect the principal (and no interest at all).

    Point being, even though something is in a contract, that doesn't necessarily mean it's enforceable - or enforceable per se.
     

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