deep in the litigation process

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by OmniRach, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member

    I am being sued by Arrow Financial services via Mann-Bracken.
    The situation I have is a little unique, and I need advise as the best way to proceed now.

    I'll try to make the history short:

    Aug 2008: served; being sued
    filed all answers, counter claims, and defenses.
    Mailed all copies to plaintiff Certified return rect.
    Also mailed a short questionaire regarding the debt. via cert mail.
    (this would serve as my interogs)

    March 2009: defendant sent request for continuance

    July 2009: motion: Summary Judgement for Plaintiff Granted
    Motion: defendant request Vacate Judgement
    (motions and another request at validation for debt sent to plaintiff via cert mail.)

    > in this time period I discovered that a discovery had been filed and I had not been served a copy - I got copies from the clerks files and sent the answers to plaintiff. via certified return rect mail.

    Aug 2009: Motion to Vacate granted

    Aug 2009: Judge orders Mediation.

    Oct 2009: plaintiff files motion, claiming to have contacted mediator and claims defendant refuses to answer. - among claims are that defendant is prolonging matter and defendant is non-responsive. However also claims defendant continues to file motions with out knowledge to plaintiff.
    another claim by plaintiff is that defendant " has not filed the necessary pleading to strike the deemed admissions"
    this motion also asks for judge to grant another summary judgment by Nov 6.

    **I have contacted the mediation center and gave them my correct contact info. they have tried to contact Plaintiff with no luck.*** I also have kept the signed return receipts from all mail to plaintiff.

    I want to know what is the next thing I need to do here.
    I want to file an answer to this new motion and address all the claims.
    I also want to file something to ask for jdgement for defendant on the grounds that plaintiff has not answered my questionaire regarding the debt.


    As you can see, it has gotten lengthy and confusing. almost to a point where I feel I can not continue to go pro-se.
    I need help.
    I apologize that its lengthy and confusing. however I have read several posts in this forum and I was impressed. I think this is a good place to get help.

    Thanks in advance.... Rach
     
  2. creditsupp

    creditsupp Well-Known Member

    Is this a large amount and what state do you live in? In some states they cannot garnish your wages based on a judgement.
     
  3. ccbob

    ccbob Well-Known Member

    It sounds like you're doing all the right things. I would file an objection to their motion and attach your paper trail as evidence that is contrary to their allegations.

    If you show that they did receive notice and responses, you might point out that they purjured themselves in their allegations.

    You might file a motion for dismissal point out that they have not participated in the mediation in good faith.

    They've dug in and are going to take it to the mat. You'll have to dig into the civil procedure and look into some similar cases or strategies. You have them on the run so don't drop the ball. I'm just guessing but I'd bet that most pro se litigants fail when it comes to being aggressive and taking the offensive. So far, it sounds like you've been playing a defensive game so you might want to turn that around, especially now that you have some documented proof that they are the ones who are stalling and evading.

    Hang in there, it looks like you're getting close.
     
  4. Dumb Bob

    Dumb Bob Well-Known Member

    Likely you'll find that only interrogatories that exactly follow your court's rules will be responded to and then you'll very likely have to battle to get any serious responses. This would likely include some form of compelling.

    Dumb Bob is confused. Who is not serving who properly? It sounds like they are complaining that they don't get service from you but they aren't serving you properly, meanwhile you claim you are serving them. Does everyone have the other's correct mailing address?

    It isn't uncommon for each side to claim it is white as virgin snow while the other side is evil and black as coal tar, all in hopes that the judge will become frustrated and do what they are seeking.

    You are sending them the motions with the proper time allowed, right?

    Do they have a point or not?


    Are your affidavits in? A summary judgment is usually based on materials that are written and properly and timely submitted.


    What are your state court rules and laws regarding putting assignment into play? Some states require an affidavit a certain number of days before the hearing.

    Dumb Bob suspects that they won't until/unless you submit discovery following the rules for discovery. If you deviate at all from the rules, that will be used to not provide you what you ask for. Dumb Bob wouldn't count on them giving you anything of value even if you follow the rules.

    You are into this big time, it would seem The contract that they will almost surely submit has terms that will claim that the winner gets attorney's fees out of this. At this point, you don't want to lose no matter what the original amount was for.
     
  5. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member

    the amount they are asking for now is around 3K.

    I live in Texas.
     
  6. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member

    Would you kindly give me an example of how to turn it offensive?

    (seems as I am stuck in the defensive mode LOL)

    Thank you!
     
  7. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member


    Thank you DB for your wonderful insight!

    (I am new to the forum so I will try to respond....I may not get the proceedure down correctly......you patients is Much appreciated)


    for there 1st set of interogs.....it seems they filed a set with the court, how ever I did not get served this set. I wrote an explaination to the Judge in the form of a motion and requested a copy of what was on file. I then answered the discovery and mailed it cert to plaintiff. and filed a copy with court.


    regarding the "deemed admissions" claim.... I don't really know if they have a point. There hasn't been any granted motions to deem any admitions to my knowledge. I think you have to ask the court to grant them "deemed" if I am not mistaken.

    If they had a contract with my signature......wouldn't they have submitted it at this point?


    Thank you again DB for your help and patients!
    I have gotten some really good advice so far!


    - Rach
     
  8. Dumb Bob

    Dumb Bob Well-Known Member

    Often discovery isn't filed with the court, but it is certainly served on the litigants who are supposed to respond to it. If the other side is filing with the court materials that it isn't giving you and then saying you are ignoring those materials, something is very wrong. If this is intentional on the part of the other party, it would seem best to inform the judge. You have appeared, you say, therefore all materials sent to the court should be served to you.


    You shouldn't have to do this. Something is wrong. Does the other party have your proper mailing address? Does Fido steal your mail for an afternoon snack?

    If you don't respond in the required time denying the requested admissions, they would be likely looking to use that lack of a response to their advantage. But if you didn't respond because they didn't send you the discovery, that should be pointed out. This is a big deal because the entire case can rest on admissions that are deemed admitted because of a lack of response.


    They aren't required to have every thing that they will ultimately have at the initiation of the proceedings. If you appear difficult, they may attempt to get more proof from the alleged original creditor. This may take time. Because of this, it can be difficult to understand whether or not you should push conclusion quickly or wait until you can learn more about the process.

    There may be ways to attempt to end discovery and try to limit what new materials they might come up with late in the game, although you may wish to use discovery to understand what the other side has available. Since what they will try to do in the future isn't exactly known, it isn't really possible to know exactly how to go forward but you can improve your chances.
     
  9. Dumb Bob

    Dumb Bob Well-Known Member

    It would seem sensible to attempt to figure out what your total possible exposure to reasonable attorney's fees is depending on how far this goes. That would mean, what is "reasonable" for a default, for a summary judgment, for a trial, for an appeal? This matters because the $3000 might be ultimately an insignificant part of the judgment if you were to lose.
     
  10. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member

    The plaintiff is asking for a judgement on Nov 6th.
    I have less than 2 weeks.
    It is becoming obvious that what I need right now is more time.

    so.....What do I need to file/respond with that can buy me some more time.
    I fully intend to use this time to do research that will help me represent my self better. or - use this time to obtian legal help.


    regarding the discovery....yes there might be something wrong. to further elaborate..... I found a copy of their discovery on file. I did not have this. it was not mailed to me. it also was not included when I was first served.
    I did bring this to the judges attention, my allegation was the crafty intentions of the plaintiff to get a summary judgement.

    It has already happened that I did not get the notice for the hearing.
    I didn't appear and a default was awarded to the plaintiff.
    After filing a motion to vacate, it has been removed.

    you have me very concerned about this discovery issue.
    what is wrong? what do I need to do?

    I want to let you guys know that I appreciate the detailed advice. I have been to a couple of forums and this is by far the most patient and welcoming!
     
  11. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member

    Also.....

    Could I get an example of an Objection? I am not sure how to start one......

    TIA!
     
  12. Dumb Bob

    Dumb Bob Well-Known Member

    Do you have the court rules for your court? They should give some idea of what is required. Dumb Bob would make sure you have the right rules, if he were you, by going to the court and asking for a copy. When they say they don't have a copy you can have, ask where you should get a copy. This should increase the likelihood that the correct rules are available to you.

    Did you say that they are seeking summary judgment? Dumb Bob doesn't know which rules apply to you. You said Texas. He found some rules, they might not be for your court, that referred to rule 166a as the rule about summary judgment.

    This doesn't really explain exactly what to do but does give some idea:

    If your plan is to seek a continuance, it looks like the materials to make that happen have to be submitted a week in advance, 166a subpart c:

    So your affidavit says that you need a continuance because you have not gotten the materials that the plaintiff sent to the court and therefore you are way behind in preparing your defense? Dumb Bob doesn't know if that's enough. Often they want to know exactly what you'll get that matters if you are given more time. The rule that Dumb Bob was reading doesn't seem to go into much detail. This is why you should QUICKLY get to a law library with materials that explain how to respond properly in your state, in your specific court.


    Dumb Bob doesn't know what you should do. But if you are still not getting all the materials that the plaintiff is filing with the court, how can you properly defend yourself?

    1. Everything is generally written in a summary judgment hearing. So if you don't file anything with the court AND serve it to the other side, it won't be there to help you. This is why affidavits are so important.

    2. Dumb Bob thinks that this must happen 7 days before the hearing, but he only gets this from reading the rules he found on the web, which might or might not be your actual rules. What 7 days means EXACTLY is unknown to Dumb Bob. For example, some jurisdictions add some number of days if you mail materials. That might mean you must send them 7 days plus some days before the hearing.

    3. Your claims that you aren't getting materials seem interesting because if true, they would make defending yourself difficult.
     
  13. Dumb Bob

    Dumb Bob Well-Known Member

    Generally one would stand up and say "Objection" and then explain SPECIFICALLY what the objection is. The objection should be an actual valid legal objection. There are lists of what the most common ones are. In the case of written materials, one could write "Objection" and then state specifically what the objection is. These are important to preserve your rights in appeals and to hopefully get the judge to correct an error as it's occurring.
     
  14. ccbob

    ccbob Well-Known Member

    The written objections I've seen are simply in the standard legal format (e.g. with the case number, plaintiff, and defendant's name) and say, "Objection to Motion for Summary Judgment" or "Objection to Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Judgment."

    In the body, the objector just states why they object, in this case you might dispute the grounds for the motion and present contradictory evidence.

    As far as going on the offensive, I meant that you might start taking a more assertive legal stance and start objecting to their foot-dragging. e.g. filing motions so they have to start reacting to you rather than you always reacting to them.

    You need to dig into the law books and find some similar cases to get some ideas. You can't stop now.
     
  15. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member

    Thank you....that helps me understand.
     
  16. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member

    Awesome Advice!

    I am not going to stop now.....

    I will file my objection....I am going to look into a motion to strike their affidavit, and then file a better set of interogs to plaintiff. (I have already sent in a small questionaire, however, I don't think its going to be good enough)

    so far thats me game plan....unless anyone has any objections....LOL !
     
  17. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member

    Help!

    NOW they want to mediate.....What would you guys do?

    TIA
     
  18. galloblue

    galloblue Member

    Arrow Financial Services, LLC of Niles, IL is ceasing debt collection operations. Sallie Mae, the owner, is said to have made a decision to close the company. Reports are that collectors have been laid off, or given notice they will no longer be employed there.

    Arrow Financial was a purchaser of defaulted consumer debts, which were sent out to a group of attorneys for collection and litigation. They long had a reputation for not being able to validate purchased accounts they collected on and reported in consumer credit reports.

    Arrow joins an ever increasing number of junk debt collectors who are closing due to their inability to purchase performing portfolio's to collect on, and the weak American economy.

    Consumer have become more aggressive in demanding proof, while challenging the validity of court filings from debt purchasers than ever before, in part, because of the massive publicity generated by their illegal practices. It is widely held that the vast majority of purchased debts are completely worthless, causing the new purchasers to produce mass quantities of bogus documents that purport to give them life.

    When you factor in the massive fraud perpetrated on consumers by Mann Bracken and the National Arbitration Forum, you have an industry void of consumer rights, ethics and credibility. Mann Bracken and the NAF did as much harm to the collection industry as the scam artists did to the image of Wall Street.
    Additionally, many States Attorney General are now aggressively taking on the debt collection industry with increased over-sight and prosecution for their criminal behavior used in collecting these bogus debts.

    Expect many more to follow Arrow into oblivion as the American consumer becomes more educated and aggressive in dealing with debt collectors.[/]
     
  19. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member

    wow....

    That is very interesting....where can I learn more about that whole process?
    How can I use this to help me?
     
  20. OmniRach

    OmniRach Member


    I can't find anything about this on the internet....would you mind telling me where you found it?

    Rach
     

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