ok guys im gonna give you all a brief description on whats going on with my account with providian and maybe some of you can help because i am beyond frustrates and confused. I contact providian a few minutes ago regarding a fraudulend account that was opened under my name in may of 2000. I explain to them that i have absolutely no knowledge of this account and am very upset at the fact that not only prov. but two other collection agencies are reporting charged off accounts on this account on my cr's. So im transferred to a zillion different cs reps and finally i get to the fraud dept. To make an extremely long story short the man tells me that if this accnt has been opened fraudulently the only thing i can do to resolve this matter is to go down to my local police station and file a police report for fraud in my name than fax them the police report , than they will take the matter up with there investigators. Why do i feel like like providian is trying to give me the run around here. Ive never heard of any procedure like this. Before i go down to the PD ..has this happened to anyone else here?. What should i tell the officer?.....boy oh boy this gets better and better every day
are you absolutely, posotively 100% sure beyond a resonable doubt that the account is not yours. and somehow you just forgot about it.....think real hard,, reply then i will tell you what to do..
out of all the accnts i have had over the years this is one i am sure is not mine... unless it was sold to providian from another company but that is not possible
It wouldn't surprise me if Providian is giving you the run-around. When I had to dispute a charge, they were a *huge* pain to work with (especially compared to AMEX which simply takes care of that sort of thing). I don't have any other issues with Providian, but when you ask them to actually do some work, they seem go into avoidance mode.
110 percent is good, in this case a crime was committed, and you should report it to the local police without fail, At that time along with the police report you should send a letter demanding that this fraudulent account be taken off your report immediatly. And they will, because a police report is better than a fraud affadavit, they cannot doctor a police report because the original is kept on file at the police station. so u have nothing to lose but the bad tradeline..
ok....but what do u think i should do about the ca's that are trying to collect on this fraudulent accnt?..there reporting on my cr's too?
Same thing send them a letter w/copy of PR... You might also demand that Providian have their evil CA's delete as well. Cover your bases.
And be prepared for being extremely insistant with the local police about filing a report. Some of the officers seem to be in Providian mode, and insist on giving you the run around of your life. PawMix
I've never heard of any procedure like this. joey123 ============== It's standard practice in fraud cases-Where ya been? THE END ** *** ** LB 59 """""""""```~~~```'""""""""" Sign in a Chinese Pet Store: "Buy one dog, get one flea... I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore, I am perfect. How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America? Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. ** *** ** """""""""```~~~```'"""""""""
ok....but what do u think i should do about the ca's that are trying to collect on this fraudulent accnt?..there reporting on my cr's too? joey123 ==================================================== Validation must reads Per Humblemarc http://consumers.creditnet.com/straighttalk/board/showthread.php?s=&postid=343640#post343640
Joey, Go to this site by the FTC: http://www.consumer.gov/idtheft/victim.htm Complete their fraud affadavit. Call the CRA's and get a fraud alert placed on each. Also the victims statement requiring a phone call. Get free copies of each of your reports. Free due to fraud. Provide the fraud affadavit to each creditor. File a police report. It's no big deal to make a police report since the laws changed in your favor, it used to be the creditors were the victim and not you. The laws have changed and the police know it, no big deal. Make a report and get a copy of it. Distribute it as requested. Dispute fraudulent enteries on your CR's as fraudulent. Send a letter to your creditors -- FCRA provisions, 623, Responsibilities of Information Furnishers If they don't go away with those 2 disputes, file in small claims court against the CRA's and/or Creditors. Sassy Follow the FTC's instructions, here: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/idtheft.htm#victim Search on lizardking lawsuit -- reverse chronological order, here's one: http://consumers.creditnet.com/straighttalk/board/showthread.php?threadid=10860 Use robin's unpaid collections nutcase: http://consumers.creditnet.com/straighttalk/board/showthread.php?threadid=36952
A police report is standard. The officer will fill out a Offense/Incident report and pull a Case Report Number. Depending on the size of the PD the actual report may not be ready for 7 working days. Do keep the Case Report Number handy as this will enable you to obtain a copy of the actual report. Be prepared to explain to the officer why you think it was fraud as the officer is conducting a criminal investigation. Btw, the victim is not the cardholder but the credit card company. Best regards, Mirage
Mirage, Below is the federal laws that were changed in response to this crime against people. Making the people victims with rights and remedies. Each state has something similar, at minimum providing at least the same provisions and protections of the Feds (it can't be less), if they didn't adopt something similar, the federal law applies -- whichever provides the most protection. Sassy http://www.identitytheft.org/title18.htm Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act of 1998 Title 18 United States Code - Section 1028 Fraud and Related Activity in Connection with Identification Documents and Information. The Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act of 1998 which became effective October 30, 1998, makes identity theft a Federal crime with penalties up to 15 years imprisonment and a maximum fine of $250,000. It establishes that the person whose identity was stolen is a true victim. Previously, only the credit grantors who suffered monetary losses were considered victims. This legislation enables the Secret Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and other law enforcement agencies to combat this crime. It allows for the identity theft victim to seek restitution if there is a conviction. It also establishes the Federal Trade Commission as a central agency to act as a clearinghouse for complaints, (against credit reporting agencies and credit grantors) referrals, and resources for assistance for victims of identity theft. This statute may serve as a model for your state to enact similar legislation. It should also provide you leverage to influence law enforcement to investigate your case. Title 18 USC 1028: (a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (c) of this section -- knowingly and without lawful authority produces an identification document or a false identification document; knowingly transfers an identification document or a false identification document knowing that such document was stolen or produced without lawful authority; knowingly possesses with intent to use unlawfully or transfer unlawfully five or more identification documents (other than those issued lawfully for the use of the possessor) or false identification documents; knowingly possesses an identification document (other than one issued lawfully for the use of the possessor) or a false identification document, with the intent such document be used to defraud the United States; knowingly produces, transfers, or possesses a document-making implement with the intent such document-making implement will be used in the production of a false identification document or another document-making implement which will be so used; knowingly possess an identification document that is or appears to be an identification document of the United States which is stolen or produced without lawful authority knowing that such document was stolen or produced without such authority shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section; or knowingly transfers or uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid or abet, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal law or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local law; (b) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section is -- except as provided in paragraph (3) and (4), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 15 years, or both, if the offense is -- (A) the production or transfer of an identification document or false identification document that is or appears to be -- (i) an identification document issued by or under the authority of the United States; or (ii) a birth certificate, or a driver's license or personal identification card; (B) the production or transfer of more than five identification documents or false identification documents; (C) an offense under paragraph (5) of such subsection; or (D) an offense under paragraph (7) of such subsection that involves the transfer or use of 1 or more means of identification if, as a result of the offense, any individual committing the offense obtains anything of value aggregating $1,000 or more during any 1-year period; 2. except as provided in paragraphs (3) and (4), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than three years, or both, if the offense is -- (A) any other production, transfer, or use of means of identification, an identification document, or a false identification document; or (B) an offense under paragraph (3) or (7) of such subsection; 3. a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 20 years, or both, if the offense is committed -- (A) to facilitate a drug trafficking crime (as defined in section 929(a)(2)) or this title; (B) in connection with a crime of violence (as defined in section 924(c)(3)); or (C) after a prior conviction under this section becomes final; 4. a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 25 years, or both, if the offense is committed to facilitate an act of international terrorism (as defined in section 2331(1) of this title); 5. in the case of any offense under subsection (a), forfeiture to the United States of any personal property used or intended to be used to commit the offense; and 6. a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case. (c) The circumstance referred to in subsection (a) of this section is that -- the identification document or false identification document is or appears to be issued by or under the authority of the United States or the document-making implement is designed or suited for making such an identification document or false identification document; the offense is an offense under subsection (a)(4) of this section; or either -- the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section is in or affects interstate or foreign commerce; or the means of identification, identification documents, false identification document, or document-making implement is transported in the mail in the course of the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section. (d) In this section -- the term "document-making implement" means any implement, impression, electronic device, or computer hardware or software, that is specifically configured or primarily used for making an identification document, a false identification document, or another document-making implement; the term "identification document" means a document made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, political subdivision of a State, a foreign government, political subdivision of a foreign government, an international governmental or an international quasi-governmental organization which, when completed with information concerning a particular individual, is a type intended to commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of individuals; the term "means of identification" means any name or number that may be used, alone or in conjunction with any other information, to identify a specific individual, including any -- name, social security number, date of birth, official State or government issued driverâ??s license or identification number, alien registration number, government passport number, employer or taxpayer identification number; unique biometric data, such as fingerprint, voice print, retina or iris image, or other unique physical representation; unique electronic identification number, address, or routing code; or telecommunications identifying information or access device (as defined in section 1029(e)); 4. the term "personal identification card" means an identification document issued by a State local government solely for the purpose of identification; 5. the term "produce" includes alter, authenticate, or assemble; and 6. the term "State" includes any State of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and any other commonwealth, possession or territory of the United States. (e) This section does not prohibit any lawfully authorized investigative, protective, or intelligence activity of a law enforcement agency of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision of a State, or of an intelligence agency of the United States, or any activity authorized under chapter 224 of this title. (f) Attempt and Conspiracy â?? Any person who attempts or conspires to commit any offense of this section shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the attempt or conspiracy. (g) Forfeiture Procedures â?? The forfeiture of property under this section, including any seizure and disposition of the property and any related judicial or administrative proceeding, shall be governed by the provisions of section 413 (other than subsection (d) of that section) of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853). (h) Rule of Construction â?? For purpose of subsection (a)(7), a single identification document or false identification document that contains 1 or more means of identification shall be construed to be 1 means of identification. Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act of 1998
continued from above: (This was included in the Bill signed by the President.) CENTRALIZED COMPLAINT AND CONSUMER EDUCATION SERVICE FOR VICTIMS OF IDENTITY THEFT. (a) IN GENERAL â?? Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, (October 30, 1998) the Federal Trade Commission shall establish procedures to â?? log and acknowledge the receipt of complaints by individuals who certify that they have a reasonable belief that 1 or more of their means of identification (as defined in section 1028 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by this Act) have been assumed, stolen, or otherwise unlawfully acquired in violation of section 1028 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by this Act: provide informational materials to individuals described in paragraph (1); and refer complaints described in paragraph (1) to appropriate entities, which may include referral to â?? the 3 major national consumer reporting agencies; and appropriate law enforcement agencies for potential law enforcement action. (b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS â?? There are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section.
I stand corrected. A friend of mine told me that if my legit credit card was stolen and used to make purhcases than the victim is the credit card company. Best regards, Mirage
I think this is true - if you report the card stolen within a reasonable period of time, the card company has to absorb the loss, not you. But identity theft and account takeover are different.
