I wish to thank cn moderator for ending the he/she said thread.A point i wish to bring up.I was asked to intervene for the poster with apex.I turned down the poster on 4 grounds. 1.any thing i know is hearsay. 2.I believe 2 reasonable people can resolve a business dispute. 3.This forum is not a courtroom,not a legal forum. 4 .The facts are in business you get complaints about your service. I wish to just help people who need help,not be involved in what to me is a attack on this forum,and its owners,and posters who post everyday in a effort to help people.I just want to be upfront with everyone and let everyone who reads my some times silly posts that. thanks jjgross