What to do?

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by sf_sugar, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. sf_sugar

    sf_sugar Active Member

    Some History: Several years ago I was sent an application for a credit card. I filled it out with all my correct information, ie, address, ssn, phone and signed my legal name. When I received the card, I began using it and paying the bill. After a couple of years my husband noticed that the card was in the name of my father in law, who is dead rather than mine. He was John D.... and I am JoAnn D..... I never noticed it but when we did, I sent them a name change to correct it. They never did. I even sent my drivers license to prove the name change. They never did. When the account was renewed and a new card sent, it was the incorrect name.

    Since that time, I had to stop paying on the card because my husband and I lost our business, were unable to pay anything because he was unemployed or employed but not earning any income (income only when you sell something).

    I live in Texas and after 2 years, I have been served a lawsuit for $1000 which is high, I think it was a balance of only about $500.00. The papers are in the name of John D. .... rather than my name. To my knowledge, I have not received any collection notices on this account.

    What do I do? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. bizwiz41

    bizwiz41 Well-Known Member

    Well, look at the obvious; I would file a response to the suit stating that "John D..." is deceased. Submit date, and copy of death certificate if available. You gave the issuer "opportunity to remedy", buy some time and let them figure it out.
     
  3. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    I don't know Biz. OP might want to tread lightly here. The card was knowingly used after John D's death. Don't want to unintentionally allow yourself to be be charged with some sort of fraud.
     
  4. bizwiz41

    bizwiz41 Well-Known Member

    jlynn,

    I definitely agree with the caution, my suggestion was for the "technical" aspect of the suit only. She has some defense in that she did notify them of the error, and did try to remedy. (I hope she has copies of the notice sent!).
     
  5. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    I agree with the technical aspect - but she has to be careful about the wording of an answer on the deceased's behalf. Further, unless she is the Executor or Administrator of the FIL's estate, I don't believe she has any legal standing to answer.
     
  6. Flyingifr

    Flyingifr Well-Known Member

    I would say let them sue John. The longer they don't realize the error, the less chance they will ever try to correct it, and a judgment against John will not affect Joann. If it ever does go to Joann's credit file, then all Joann needs to do is get a copy of the Judgment and send it to the CRA and say "I am Joann, not John."
     
  7. Oracle

    Oracle Banned

    If plaintiff has filed suit against the wrong entity in spite of having been clearly informed of their error, I would think that it is their problem.

    Their suit cannot apply to JoAnn, and it is not the obligation of the defendant to correct their error other than to say "Not me."

    Plaintiff would need to amend the suit to read aka John (and amuse the Court no end), or correct their records and file suit against JoAnn.
     
  8. sf_sugar

    sf_sugar Active Member

    No, I don't have the documentation to support the attempted remedy. During that time, we moved and all that paperwork got wet and had to be thrown away. How could it be fraud when everything on the account including the social security # is me, JoAnn D. and NOT John D. ????? The card was acquired after John D. died.
     
  9. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    I'm not saying it is fraud, you did try to remedy the situation. I would be concerned with how any answer is worded. Then and only then could it maybe be a problem.

    Allowing it to go to default is a slippery slope. They do have your social, so any judgment you let go to default could easily go to your credit report, and you will then likely find yourself with an alias under names used of "John". Maybe you can get it removed, maybe not. After all, the documentation will also have your address.

    Is this the Original Creditor suing you or a Collection Agency? What level of court are they suing in? Justice Court? County?, District?

    Justice Court is pretty much the same as Small Claims, (maximum claims, procedural rules, etc.), but CA's are not allowed to sue in small claims in TX.
     
  10. sf_sugar

    sf_sugar Active Member

    It is Justice Court and it is a Collection Agency, Harvest Credit Management VII. I have until Dec 16th to answer the citation.
     
  11. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    When did you default on the debt? Are you or your hubby in charge of FIL's estate? Was there a will?
     
  12. sf_sugar

    sf_sugar Active Member

    Default on the debt was in 2006. Neither my husband nor I had anything to do with the will. It all went to his wife, my husband's mother. She is now in a nursing home and not mentally able to handle any of her own affairs.
     
  13. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    Then whomever has Power of Attorney for the mother is likely the only one that has legal standing to answer the suit. You have few choices, either the POA needs to answer and you stay out of it, let it go to default, and HOPE it doesn't ruin your credit, pay it now before a judgment is rendered. (if capable).

    Justice Court and Small Claims are very similar (including the same judge usually!), CA's are not allowed in TX to file in Small Claims Court. Discovery is likely not allowed.

    You also need to keep in mind, that although this appears to be a small amount of money, any aggressive collection attempts on a default judgment could involve your MIL, as TX is a community property state. This could attach to MIL's properties (if she owns any).

    If it were me, I would contact the CA and see if you can work out a payment plan before judgment.
     
  14. sf_sugar

    sf_sugar Active Member

    Our credit is bad to begin with, but no judgements to my knowledge. We were always so proud of our credit and after all the problems we have had, it has tanked. I don't have the courage to look at our credit reports. Bankruptcy is not an option and we don't have $1000.00 to pay it. How easy is it to negoiate with them for a lower amount, and what does that do to the name situation?
     
  15. Oracle

    Oracle Banned

    One of the first things that you have to determine is how you want this whole thing to turn out. From there, you can determine what your best course of action might be to achieve your goal

    A number of options have been suggested. They are all reasonable.

    Success in negotiation depends a lot on their attitudes and your skills. It is best to understand what you will be willing to accept (and deliver on) before you start the conversation. It is not the best idea to make an agreement that puts you back in the same place or worse a few months down the road.

    As mentioned, the relatively low dollar amount may govern how willing the CA might be in pursuing a contested case. That can be part of your negotiating consideration.

    BK7/13 is always an option if the circumstances are right, a difficult or maybe ill-advised option, but still an option.

    If you choose to answer the suit, there is a time constraint as defined by the answer date contained in the summons. You will need to address that in your thinking, too.
     
  16. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    The ease of negotiating a settlement will vary from CA to CA. I've never heard of this particular CA, but a google search was riddled with references of lawsuits they have filed.
     
  17. sf_sugar

    sf_sugar Active Member

    This is what I would like to happen; I want to pay 40-50% of the stated amount, over time and be done with it. I do not want to get the POA for my MIL involved at all. This is my debt regardless of the name and I need to pay it and I really don't want a judgement on my credit report. Everything else regarding this account came to me, no reason to believe that a judgement would go to John D. rather than JoAnn D... My problem is that I am a very honest person and too trusting. I am very emotionally involved about this credit mess and I don't know how ept I will be at negoitation. I am scared to death of Credit Agencies. Do I try to negotiate a deal before I get to court or do I contest the citation, ask for a trial and then negoiate from there? As I said before, I have until Dec 16th to do something... What a nightmare, I am a basket case and I don't want this to ruin xmas....
     
  18. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    The problem as I see it, (it my nothing-more than a consumer view) is this whole thing is full of landmines. CA's are not always ethical. So, even if you negotiate something with them, unless the lawsuit is stopped, then they could very easily allow it to go forward to default just as another means to protect themselves. (It happens - and they do lie about filing dismissals). You don't want to get the POA involved, but at this point, they are likely the only ones that can look out for the interests of your MIL. You have no standing to answer.

    Even in a best case scenario - You 'fess up the name confusion, agree to a payment plan, and life goes on, someone still has to answer that suit, or oversee it to make sure it is dropped, and the only person that can do it is the POA. Maybe you can answer the suit in your correct name, but that's a legal matter I know nothing about.

    As far as being terrified, I understand that (I tend to stink at negotiations!) you could possibly all do this via written communication, but you only have a couple of weeks to get it done...not alot of time.
     
  19. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    I have a question... Is there a reason to believe, that this is in your FIL's name, or could it just be a long time mispelling of a name that COINCIDENTALLY is your FIL's name?

    I'm not sure why you just can't answer this suit with a general denial, in your name, as if it is just a typo? This is Justice Court - which is pretty much a rough justice type court. This would eliminate the need to involve anyone from your FIL's family, and would buy you some time to negotiate a settlement.

    Why couldn't the OP make this simple and proceed under that assumption? Need a legal beagle for that one.
     
  20. sf_sugar

    sf_sugar Active Member

    jlynn, that was exactly my thought. When I answer the citation with the form they provided, I just use my real name, etc. and sign as me... of course, this is what got me into the mess in the first place... not paying attention and "assuming" and we all know what that does!!!!!
     

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