We were right about FICO 08'

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  1. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    Press Release

    Source: Fair Isaac Corporation

    Fair Isaac Innovation Will Restore Authorized User Accounts to Calculation of FICO 08 Scores

    Thursday July 31, 1:53 pm ET

    In a prepared testimony, Tom Quinn, Vice President of Global Scoring Solutions for Fair Isaac Corporation states:

    "After consulting with the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Trade Commission earlier this year, Fair Isaac has decided to include consideration of authorized user tradelines present on the credit report in the FICO 08 model."


    Fair Isaac (FICO)

    Fair Isaac (hereinafter, â??FICOâ?) is the company which designs and implements the most universally accepted scoring model used today. It is commonly known as the FICO score. Today, the three major credit reporting agencies, Equifax, Experian, and Trans Union, permit FICO to apply models to their data which all consider â??authorized userâ? accounts. These models are many but, are referred to as a Beacon, Emperica, or a Classic score depending upon the credit reporting agency to which it is applied. With that said and no matter the name given, these models are in compliance with the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (hereinafter, the â??ECOAâ?), enumerated in the United States Code at 15 U.S.C. 1691 et seq. The legislative intent and stated purpose of the ECOA was and remains in force to protect consumers from discriminatory and unethical practices in lending.

    Nevertheless, FICO proposed in June of 2007 a new scoring model which would completely disregard authorized user accounts. One credit reporting agency was allegedly set to begin using this model in September of 2007. Which one is still unknown however, it never happened. No credit reporting agency has issued a statement to this effect and Equifax has recently stated that they will not allow FICO to apply this model to their data. The other two credit reporting agencies are set to review the model at some point in 2008 however, each and every request as to whether any credit reporting agency is going to permit this model to be applied to their data is garnering a more tenuous and ambiguous response notwithstanding Equifax which has explicitly conveyed a resounding no.

    Let us be clear, this proposed model is illegal pursuant to the ECOA. One can review the following pertinent provision of the aforementioned Act and find this to be true:

    (6) Credit history. To the extent that a creditor considers credit history in evaluating the creditworthiness of similarly qualified applicants for a similar type and amount of credit, in evaluating an applicant's creditworthiness a creditor shall consider:
    (i) The credit history, when available, of accounts designated as accounts that the applicant and the applicant's spouse are permitted to use . . .
    As anyone can discern, the law clearly states that "any" account which an applicant is permitted to use must be considered. This certainly envelopes authorized user accounts. With that in mind, it is only reasonable to forecast a windfall of class litigation that very well may affect Fair Isaacâ??s, the credit reporting agencies, and anyone who uses that method bottom lines. This is why only one credit reporting agency was set to implement the changed model in September. Again, it didn't happen and now, Equifax is even unwilling to sit back and wait for the fallout.

    This new model was projected to adversely affect 41 million Americans with respect to their credit scores. The reasons given for the so-called need for this change are many but, they are in essence a call for relief from the mortgage industry. After the sub-prime mortgage industry fell through the bottom, the aforesaid industry needed an explanation for their shareholders. Rather than admit to the truth which was that they were approving applicants with 520 mid-scores at 100% financing and nearly at 60% DTI, they blamed a small niche of consumers who knew how to operate shrewdly under FICO models to increase their scores legally.

    Presuming that any credit reporting agency proceeds as once planned and fails to see any temporary restraining orders or declaratory actions, the new model would have virtually no effect on consumers. This is because most mortgage and automobile lenders, even some credit card issuers, rely on the middle of the three scores. Consumers will continue to reap the benefit of authorized user accounts on two reporting agencies even if one credit reporting agency would give it a trial run. Again, only Experian and Trans Union have said that they are even willing to review the new FICO 08â?? at some point in 2008. They have not said they will use it and we are cautiously optimistic that they will follow the ECOA and decline to do so.

    With all this said and assuming arguendo that they would enact the change; it wouldn't affect most consumers until and "if" they apply the change in a retroactive nature. This has not been made clear. Moreover, the bigger question is what creditor would adopt using FICO 08' given the enormous potential for civil liability in a class context. The obvious answer is not many. It just doesn't make sense from a legal or business perspective. This is why FICO 08' has yet to happen.

    In all honesty, we at Apex Credit Services, LLC cannot envision FICO 08â?? moving forward as proposed in light of its illegality and as such, we will continue to offer our account tradelines in the spirit of the ECOA.

    Jason Wade Barnette, Esq.
    Apex Credit Services, LLC
     
  2. greg1045

    greg1045 Well-Known Member

    Good news for authorized users - BUT - what is to prevent creditors from finding a way to make AUs equally responsible for the debts if they can't get the primary applicant to pay?
     
  3. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    Their is not liability for authorized users. That is a stipulation made by provision in all credit card agreements.
     
  4. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    I would have to say this isn't going to happen anytime soon. I just made my teen an AU on a Cap One card - so she will leave my debit card in my wallet LOL, and I had to listen to 5 minutes of disclosures on what an AU can and cannot do, and the fact they are not financially responsible was pounded in hard.
     
  5. greg1045

    greg1045 Well-Known Member

    So what did Cap One say what an AU can and cannot do?
     
  6. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    They can charge it up and not be responsible to pay it...my teen will love that.

    They can, if they so choose make a payment.

    They can check the balance, cl, etc.

    They cannot change the billing address...

    They will report it to the credit bureaus, along with all history

    And then I fell asleep, IOW, nothing has changed over what we already knew.
     
  7. cgw930

    cgw930 Well-Known Member

    my husband has a cap one card where i am an Au on it and it reports to my credit reports.
     
  8. mavrik2747

    mavrik2747 Well-Known Member

    [[/QUOTE]In all honesty, we at Apex Credit Services, LLC cannot envision FICO 08â?? moving forward as proposed in light of its illegality and as such, we will continue to offer our account tradelines in the spirit of the ECOA.

    Jason Wade Barnette, Esq.
    Apex Credit Services, LLC[/QUOTE]

    I assume when someone enrolls in your program, do you add new tradelines as an AU or new tradelines for making payments to you guys? Please explain....

    thanks
     
  9. cmo140

    cmo140 Active Member

    In all honesty, we at Apex Credit Services, LLC cannot envision FICO 08â?? moving forward as proposed in light of its illegality and as such, we will continue to offer our account tradelines in the spirit of the ECOA.

    Jason Wade Barnette, Esq.
    Apex Credit Services, LLC[/QUOTE]

    I assume when someone enrolls in your program, do you add new tradelines as an AU or new tradelines for making payments to you guys? Please explain....

    thanks[/QUOTE]

    I am not sure what you mean about offering Account tradelines? Could you please explain?
     
  10. mavrik2747

    mavrik2747 Well-Known Member

    Sorry my quote didnt work the first time. "we will continue to offer our account tradelines in the spirit of the ECOA".

    You continue to offer account TL's, are these new tradelines for the new account the customer opens with you or AU tradelines?
     
  11. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    AU tradelines. We cannot report to the CRA's and even if we could, we wouldn't back date them thus negating the one of the purposes behind the methodology.
     
  12. cmo140

    cmo140 Active Member


    So you offer tradelines to piggy back on, which these get reported to the credit agency?
     
  13. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    All three and yes, it is legal per the FTC. Scored just the same as your own account.
     
  14. cmo140

    cmo140 Active Member


    What amounts are these tradelines at and do they show a balance.

    Also how many people can you have on each tradeline.
     
  15. sparq

    sparq Well-Known Member

    I'm not entirely clear: In which direction does this flow?

    If a person with an 800 FICO adds me (with a 610 FICO) as an authorized user on their Visa debit card, does this boost me? Or does it drag the other person down?

    Or do I need to add someone with an 800 FICO as an authorized user on my card to see any benefit? And if so, would it harm that person?

    (assuming, of course, that my payment on said card is flawless)
     
  16. Hedwig

    Hedwig Well-Known Member

    You wouldn't bring their credit down unless they were an AU on your card. You being added as an AU on their card boosts your score by giving you a card with history and low ratios.

    But debit cards don't normally report. It would have to be a credit card, as far as I know.
     
  17. sparq

    sparq Well-Known Member

    Interesting. Thank you!
     
  18. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    The methodology is to add age, avaliable credit, and payment history. Again, it's just as if ones mother or father adds them to a card or series of cards.

    In any event, no, the other persons information isn't transposed.
     
  19. cmo140

    cmo140 Active Member

    What kind of accounts do you offer?
     
  20. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    Many. Just visit our site or give us a call . . .
     

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