Fico 08 No more piggybacking off strangers

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by hegemony., Feb 4, 2009.

  1. hegemony.

    hegemony. Banned

    Please don't waste your money on aged tradelines. As of Thursday they will not help.
    Here is proof: From consumeristdotcom "6 Ways Your Credit Score Changes This Thursday"
    I quote " A new system for determining your credit-worthiness, FICO '08, rolls out this Thursday, and there's nothing you can to do stop it. By these 6 changes, ye shall be judged:
    1.Spouses and children can improve their credit score by being an authorized user on a credit card account, but that's it. No more piggybacking off strangers."

    I don't have enough posts to add the actual link to the story. Hopefully somebody else can.
    Please don't waste your money on aged tradelines wether they are advertised on this site or not.
    No more fraudulent aged tradelines. Finally. Bye Bye.
     
  2. cap1sucks

    cap1sucks Well-Known Member

    The practical lesson that we can and should learn is that like it or not, we live by the golden rule. Not the Biblical one, but the one which says that he who has the gold makes the rules.
     
  3. hannah

    hannah Well-Known Member

    LOL! So just because FICO says so it is so? They said last year that they were not going to score them and found themselves before Congress having to explain why they were violating the Equal Opportunity Credit Act. There is NO WAY they cannot score AU's. They have to as they have no way of knowing short of pulling your credit report and doing a background check to know what, if any, relationship there is between the primary account holder and the AU. They don't have permissible purpose to pull your credit and I can't see them running background checks on every AU. They are feeding you a line of BS. But go ahead and believe it if you want to. They can lie all they want and tell the public that their algorithm doesn't score "piggybackers" but the fact is that they can't not score them and they'll never release their algorithm for anyone to check.
     
  4. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

    Hegemony, are you so naive as to believe that all the lenders in the US have actually purchased this model and are using it today?


    If so, I want to tell you about a business deal I have...
     
  5. jjgross

    jjgross Well-Known Member

    Um i wonder who this is?
     
  6. greg1045

    greg1045 Well-Known Member

    And just how do they propose to prove that John Whoever or Jane Whoever is not your spouse or child - if you want to make them authorized users?
     
  7. jjgross

    jjgross Well-Known Member

    Chicken little at 5200 ft the sky appears to be where it's alway's been since i'm higher then most of you,if it starts i will try to get off a warning post.My question is if your name is smith or jones how would they know your not related.To verify will we need to file a family tree?
     
  8. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    Such a trooper LOL

    After the cb's get a hold of it, we would all be lucky if we aren't the grandparents of our own children.
     
  9. jjgross

    jjgross Well-Known Member

    The good news is all the people in India would get job's to do family tree checking!To borrow a line from a tv show*i thought turkeys could fly*
     
  10. Hedwig

    Hedwig Well-Known Member

    Haven't you ever heard the song "I'm My Own Grandpa?"
     
  11. hegemony.

    hegemony. Banned

    Beware of credit score fixers
    Promises to raise your credit score unlikely to pay off

    Kayce T. Ataiyero | Consumerland
    February 3, 2009
    With lenders becoming stingy and setting the credit bar higher, having an attractive credit score is more important than ever. So, who could resist a pitch like this one from an online credit repair service: "See you in the 700 Club!"

    For a fee, the company promises to deliver you from the credit sewer, boosting your score to the 700 level, the land of low interest rates and financial affirmation.

    Sound too good to be true? Maybe so. Many people would think there's only one old-fashioned way to boost a credit score, and that's by being responsible. Pay off your bills, on time, and don't bite off more credit than you can chew. That's what independent experts preach.

    Yet the consumer world is filled with offers from firms promising to help clean up your poor credit score, and the story of how the "700 Club" pitch has succeededâ??until nowâ??reveals the complexity and diversity of the credit repair business, which the Federal Trade Commission, for one, criticizes.



    Kayce T. Ataiyero
    Bio | E-mail | Recent columns

    The idea behind the "700 Club" is ingenious in its own way. Courtesy of a legal loophole in the credit reporting system, companies can charge a fee to match up consumers who have poor credit scores with those with stellar scores, allowing a perfect stranger to ride the good credit coattails of others.

    The phenomenon, known as "piggybacking," or trade line renting, exploded a few years ago when Internet entrepreneurs figured out there was money to be made. The premise relies on the same principle that allows someone to add a spouse or child to their credit line. A company recruits "investors" with good credit willing to sell slots on their credit lines. The company then sells those lines to strangers in need of a credit score boost, splitting the profits with the investor. The person buying the line of credit doesn't have any charging privileges; they're paying simply for the right to benefit from the credit history of the seller. The prices for such services vary on how much credit history you're looking to buy.

    Many in the lending industry consider this type of credit repair unethical because it misleads lenders into thinking a person is more creditworthy than he or she actually is.

    Careen Foster, director of scoring product management for Fair Issac, the company responsible for calculating your credit, or FICO, score, called the practice an "illicit manipulation" of the credit reporting system.

    And so now this ride may be coming to an end.

    Last week, Fair Isaac announced it has revamped its model for calculating credit scores, and one of the changes it made will shrink the piggybacking loophole, while allowing legitimate credit users to benefit from being added to credit accounts. One of the big credit report agencies, TransUnion, has already begun using the new FICO score.

    Foster said the new FICO rules don't eliminate the possibility of piggybacking, but come close enough. Fair Isaac said that instead of waiting for regulators to address the issue, it decided to act on its own.

    "The practice of adding an authorized user account from an unknown third party to your credit report isn't going to have the same impact, nowhere near the kind of benefit that folks are paying for," Foster said. "I don't think it will be worth the cost of the trade line renting to do it."

    And that could be bad for business for some of these credit repair shops.

    I set out to find some of the companies. One, Instant Credit Builders, advised on its Web site: "We are no longer offering Trade Lines however we will be servicing existing clients." There was a number for existing clients to leave messages. I called it. A robo-message informed me that the mailbox did not exist.

    Next, I called Apex Credit Services, which was advertising on its Web site 2-year-old trade lines for $399. Ten-year lines were going for $899. An affable man answered and we chatted for a bit about the FICO changeâ??he said he didn't know anything about it. He also said the company owner wasn't interested in commenting.

    After calling or e-mailing more than a half-dozen companies, I was starting to think no one wanted to talk to me, until Marcus Vance called me back. Vance works at Crcleanup.com, a company that sells piggybacking services. This was the one offering entrance to the 700 Club. Or at least it did. He said the FICO changes will put the company out of business.

    I asked Vance if he thought his service amounted to defrauding lenders. He said he was just participating in a system that has long set up consumers to fail by pushing credit on them at an early age, only to penalize them for years for the poor financial decisions they made. He said people come to him when they realize that it would take them 15 years to boost their credit scores to a level his company can reach in mere months.

    "When you turn 18 in college, they bombard you with credit cards," he said. "They put you on a plank and let you jump off. All we do is give people an opportunity when they get a little bit older and wiser to fix their credit."

    Vance put it this way: "Basically, there's a loophole and we're taking advantage of the loophole. It's the American way."

    While this strategy appears to be on the way out, there are plenty of other companies out there offering to help repair your credit. The FTC, however, advises consumers to be wary of any company that promises to make all your credit troubles disappear.

    Anything a credit repair clinic can do legally, you can do for yourself at little or no cost, the FTC says on its Web site. No one can legally remove accurate and timely negative information from a credit report.

    The bottom line: "You can improve a credit report legitimately, but it takes time, a conscious effort, and sticking to a personal debt repayment plan."
     
  12. cap1sucks

    cap1sucks Well-Known Member

    Experts? What experts? Who qualified Ataiyero to be an expert? If some web site or TV station or government actor called me an expert does that mean that I am one?
    It is also what government hacks, banks, credit bureaus and media sources preach. Experts are made by people whose mission is to make the public believe whatever is being shoved down their collective throats which may or may not have any basis in actual truth.
    As Rush Limbaugh has pointed out innumerable times, anybody with half their brain tied behind their back knows better than that.
    I'll believe that when I personally see a fat man come sliding down the chimney I don't have with a huge bag filled with rummy-tum-tums and rooty-toot-toots hollering HO! HO! HO!
     
  13. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    Clarification . . . Chris was told the person calling was from the Chicago Tribune and he simply referred her to our article. She obviously didn't read it insofar as we've commented on this issue for almost two years; i.e., AU's are and will be scored.

    As for me, no, I don't take phone calls from media outlets particularly when we've already weighed in on this subject issue.

    What I find remarkable is that we present a cogent argument as to why Fair Isaac cannot disregard AU's, FICO 08' never went through, and now someone says the have some magical way to delineate underlying AU's AND PEOPLE BELIEVE THEM!
     
  14. CTF388

    CTF388 Well-Known Member

    Information on Columnist:

    chicagotribune . com/business/columnists/chi-kayceataiyero,0,882391.columnist
     
  15. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    I thought she was supposed to be an expert?
     
  16. Hedwig

    Hedwig Well-Known Member

    Looks like a lot of her stuff is just repackaged information from elsewhere.
     
  17. cap1sucks

    cap1sucks Well-Known Member

    When people hear what they want to hear they will believe it to be the gospel truth. Notable examples of that are to be found in a number of beliefs such as the Federal Reserve is owned by 12 families including the Rothschilds and the Bilderburgers, UFO's, aliens from mars or wherever, if the court room flag has a gold fringe around it you are in an admiralty court and many others too numerous to mention. Probably one of the most amazing phenomenons is man's ability to accept the incredible as fact.
     
  18. hegemony.

    hegemony. Banned

    ttt so nobody wastes their money.
     
  19. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    Pathetic . . .
     

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