When it rains, it pours!

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by BumbleBee, Oct 22, 2002.

  1. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member

    I need to be doing some things to make money. Instead I seem to be spending much of my time putting out fires! :-(

    Today, a letter arrived in the mail from a medical provider. When we left MO, we lost our health insurance because we had no money to continue with COBRA. As a result, the payments on my husband's CPAP machine were no longer made by the insurance company. The first 3 months worth were turned over for collections long ago, but we haven't heard anything on that lately. Now, if we don't do something, the next 3 months (June, July, August of 2001) will be turned over. This only amounts to about $450 and I was hoping to pay it within the next couple of months. I also want them to file the last month with our current insurance. I don't know if they'll pay it or not since it was pre-existing and there was a gap of more than 90 days between coverages, but I figure it doesn't hurt to try. I just wish I could have gotten to them before they sent the letter!

    Anybody got any words of wisdom on how to handle this? From the date on the letter, we probably only have this week to contact them to keep it from going to collections. I do want to find out just how all this works. We got letters last summer that the CPAP and the humidifier were being converted from rental to purchase. I remember that being part of the original agreement, but I don't remember the details. Incidentally, I did talk with someone over a year ago about this (probably the first round that went to collections) and she was supposed to find out something, then call me back. I never heard from her. Now, I don't remember even what she was supposed to find out! I may have notes from the conversation (I usually keep notes), but they are probably buried in storage. :-(

    While we are on the subject, there is also a bill from the medical clinic regarding DH's sleep study. It had to be done on two separate nights and was billed as two separate studies, although it was really just one. The insurance will only pay for one. I have been round and round with the clinic on this. I last talked to them back in the spring, but we still get bills. According to the insurance company, we don't owe it. I think there is about $40 that we do owe, but it gets confusing after while!

    I just looked at the statements that I can find again... talk about confusing! When I had talked to them last April, they had insurance payments applied to the wrong dr. visits, so it was nearly impossible to figure out what was what. Looks like they went back and corrected those items. When they did, they reaged it even though we didn't make a payment. Can they do that??? I think I did tell them that we wanted to pay what we owe... problem is, I have no clue what we owe! Also, the amount has suddenly dropped from the $335 that we were being billed to $40. I have no idea what's going on. None of this is showing on his credit reports.

    Any advice on dealing with this is welcome!
     
  2. HawgHanner

    HawgHanner Well-Known Member

    How long has it been since you left MO? I think you can still go back and sign up for COBRA even if you decline to take it immediately (it's something like 3 mos. if I recall correctly). If you still had to make continuing medical/doctor payments, why would you let your COBRA run out? It must be cheaper than having to pay for those medical expenses on your own, isn't it? I would do what you can to get insurance back immediately if you have a sick person in the family.

    Hawg Hanner
     
  3. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member

    Actually, the amount per month of the CPAP rental was far less than the COBRA. It will be two years in February that we left MO and we do have coverage now... got it about 6 months after leaving MO. It's just that the law states that the new insurance has to cover pre-existing stuff if the new policy is taken out within 90 days of the old. We even got a letter about it with verification of coverage. Unfortunately, by the time my husband found a job, the 90 days was up. :-( There still wouldn't have been coverage for the period in between, but it would be certain that one month would be covered!

    Oh, and it is a little hard to pay for COBRA or anything else when you have no income! We were working odd jobs when we could for about 4 months. Take a look at my other posts ("NEED HELP! Served with Summons" is the main one) if you want to know the whole sordid story!
     
  4. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member

    P.S. Hawg, DH isn't exactly "sick". He has sleep apnea and needs the machine to breathe properly when he sleeps. Otherwise, he snores really bad and stops breathing. Helps me sleep, too. :)
     
  5. KHM

    KHM Well-Known Member

    BumbleBee-
    My father has sleep apnea as well and he had some contraption of a machine hooked up to his face everynight. The doctors have determined he needs some throat surgery, where they remove excess skin I THINK! (I'll ask him what it was called). He would stop breathing 5 times a minute while he was sleeping and 1-2 times a minute awake (determined by his sleep study). You may want to ask your doctor...

    BTW, is this a Federal Law about the 90 days? Or some state law? I'm concerned cause DH and I haven't had insurance for about 2 years now.
     
  6. tracyb0313

    tracyb0313 Well-Known Member

    My husband had surgery for that last year. Unfortunately, he started to snore again. But, he breathes better at night at least. It was a long recovery from the surgery. Jello for 2 weeks. I did sleep better for about 6 months.
     
  7. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    When it rains, it pours!

    BumbleBee | 68 posts since Oct 2002 66.137.70.36 | 10.23.2002 @ 00:40

    I need to be doing some things to make money. Instead I seem to be spending much of my time putting out fires! :-(

    Today, a letter arrived in the mail from a medical provider. When we left MO, we lost our health insurance because we had no money to continue with COBRA. As a result, the payments on my husband's CPAP machine were no longer made by the insurance company. The first 3 months worth were turned over for collections long ago, but we haven't heard anything on that lately. Now, if we don't do something, the next 3 months (June, July, August of 2001) will be turned over. This only amounts to about $450 and I was hoping to pay it within the next couple of months. I also want them to file the last month with our current insurance. I don't know if they'll pay it or not since it was pre-existing and there was a gap of more than 90 days between coverages, but I figure it doesn't hurt to try. I just wish I could have gotten to them before they sent the letter!
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    Breeze are you going to try to help her out or you going to ignore her because you're ignoring me ??




    LB 59
     
  8. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member

     
  9. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member


    Huh???
     
  10. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member

    Well, we blew it on that one! :-( Should have given them the current insurance info to file last summer. I actually don't know when I talked to them so I don't know if we even had that info, but a claim has to be filed within 90 days or it will be denied because it wasn't "timely" filing. Oh, well. I doubt they would have paid it, anyway.

    They are willing to take payments spread over 6 months. We should be able to set that up and then pay it all by Christmas. I asked if they report to the CRA's and she said only when it goes to collections. According to what she said, the part that already went to collections should have been reported, but it's not on any of his CR's. Whew! Haven't heard from that CA for a year now, either. It's not that I don't want to pay what we owe, but she said we would have to deal directly with the CA on that, so I'm not doing anything unless they contact us!

    And for the record, what the CA says we owe is way, way more than what this current bill is for the same amount of time, so even if we do hear from them or another CA again, they will definitely have to validate!!
     
  11. ALF

    ALF Well-Known Member

    i thought that according to law now, if you have new insurance they can't deny you insurance for any pre-existing condition. Is that in the insurance regs for your state or what? Just curious b/c at one time I had a pre-existing condition which required treatment but I was not denied coverage or treatment for that condition once I got a new job and was placed on the company's insurance. i thought that Clinton fixed that problem before he left office...Maybe I am wrong!

    A
     
  12. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    1*Breeze is an insurance agent and could or should be able to advise you on your problem.
    Aparently she is ignoring you because she is ignoring me.Since she isn't reading my post she is ignorant of the fact that you need her imput .
    Re: When it rains, it pours!
    BumbleBee | 73 posts since Oct 2002 66.137.70.36 | 10.23.2002 @ 13:39
    quote:
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    Originally posted by lbrown59
    Breeze are you going to try to help her out or you going to ignore her because you're ignoring me ??
    LB 59

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    Huh???
    BumbleBee
    Taking flight in search of sweet nectar
    TU FAKO 679 DH 548




    LB 59
     
  13. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member

    According to the letter we received, we had a 90-day window in which to change jobs and get the new insurance. Unfortunately, if you are unemployed for a longer period than that and don't continue your insurance under COBRA, you lose out... unless there is something in the law that I am unaware of, which is possible.
     
  14. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member

    I see. I think. :)
     
  15. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    COBRA.
    BumbleBee
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    What is COBRA?
    How does it work?
     
  16. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    This is a claim they owe you for.
    Just because you no longer have them as your insurer does not realease them from their obligation to pay claims incurred while they were your insurer.

    I still don't know why breeze has not given you any feed back on this.
    This is why the ignore feature is so detrimental to other readers on this board.It interferes with folks such as you getting help.
    I my self refuse to use the ignore button as I am not so selfish as put my own interest above the needs of others.
    LB 59
     
  17. Momof3

    Momof3 Well-Known Member

    In case you don't quite understand the "ignore" feature, this is how it works.

    It only blocks out the individual posts for whomever you have on ignore, not the whole thread, so in this case only your replies wouldn't been seen, not the entire thread.

    Also last time I checked breeze worked in "AUTO" insurance so she may not know exactly what advice to give.

    I am glad she does have you on ignore, so she doesn't have to read your remarks.
     
  18. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member

    I just did a search on Google and found this website which has the whole text of the COBRA law listed. In a nutshell, COBRA allows a person who would otherwise lose their health benefits and do not have the prospect of new benefits to continue those benefits for up to 18 months, usually. This allows time to become covered under a new employee or other plan. Sometimes COBRA coverage can be converted to an individual policy. But that's still very expensive, usually.

    In our case, we had health insurance through the church that we pastored. When we resigned, our benefits terminated. We had the option of continuing our health insurance through the COBRA option, but chose not to because of the expense. For us, the payments on the CPAP were cheaper than paying the premium for COBRA. We just didn't have the money for either!
     
  19. BumbleBee

    BumbleBee Well-Known Member

    It was set up as rental equipment so they were only responsible for the month to month rental payment. I would have to go back and look at the policy and check other details to see if they would have paid had the company that provided the CPAP done it as a purchase right from the beginning. That's the part that really gets me. I don't understand why they made it a rental until it was paid for and then converted it to purchase. I guess it's a little late to do anything about it now, although perhaps I could call the insurance company and ask them. Maybe I'll do that next week.
     
  20. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    1*It only blocks out the individual posts for whomever you have on ignore, not the whole thread,
    2*I am glad she does have you on ignore, so she doesn't have to read your remarks.
    Momof3
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    1*I never claimed otherwise
    2*So you feel it's your place to speak in her behalf simply because she don't know what's going on because she has chosen to ignore.
     

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