Or at least until it can start. Remember, he said "at a time of our choosing" May not be until tomorrow, most bets are before Friday.
Well since at 8:00 Eatern its 4:00 am there. They will start the planes in the night. So either they start right away, or wait till tommorow around 2:00 pm.
69% of Americans support this war. Its funny seeing these anti-war freaks. They just don't get it. There are people who want every American dead.how can you have peace when there is still a threat out there? You have to deal with it head on. I'm glad we have a president who has big balls, and Does what he says. since sept. 11th. We will not tollerate any countries that harbor terrorists. Now i believe This will be one of the greatest things that will define America in History. However, if we don't get attacked by chemical weapons, and we don't find weapons of mass destruction. Then it would have been a mistake However, The democrats are riding all there chips on this. There praying Bush is wrong. If he is right say hello to another 4 years, and the democrats will look like total morons. Im a Republican, who is very proud of Tony Blair for his hard stance on this issue.
"69% of Americans support this war. " That is because most Americans are morons who actually believe this is a war about terrorism "Its funny seeing these anti-war freaks. They just don't get it." No doubt, the green peave loving freaks were against even US going into Afganistan. "There are people who want every American dead." I think most of the world wants Americans dead "how can you have peace when there is still a threat out there? You have to deal with it head on. I'm glad we have a president who has big balls, and Does what he says. " LOL he definitely lies his ass off. "since sept. 11th. We will not tollerate any countries that harbor terrorists." Iraq does not harbor terrorists. They do not have any ties with terrorists whatsoever. Al Queda and the rest of the Arab world despise Iraq. Saudi Arabia has fund drives on their national TV for terrorist organizations. Thats who harbors terrorists. "Now i believe This will be one of the greatest things that will define America in History." Greatest no. Biggest, yes. "However, if we don't get attacked by chemical weapons, and we don't find weapons of mass destruction. Then it would have been a mistake" This war is a mistake regardless. There are much easier and more diplomatic ways to get Saddam out. You catching on yet? "However, The democrats are riding all there chips on this. There praying Bush is wrong." If he is right say hello to another 4 years, and the democrats will look like total morons. Im a Republican, who is very proud of Tony Blair for his hard stance on this issue." No offense, but you are damn gullible. This war is all about getting cheap oil in a desperate effort to get the USA economy out of its debt ridden crisis. It is also about putting OPEC out of business. ALL ABOUT MONEY. Saddam has not made a peep for a decade. Now I certainly agree that he has got to go regardless but going to war because of some very controversial evidence and the UN resolutions? Israel has been in violation of UN resolutions for decades. Israel has more WMDs than Iraq ever hoped. Look at Saudi Arabia. They clearly support and harbor terrorists. I do not see Bush saying anything about that.
for oil? thats beyond ignorant. Oil prices have very little bearing on our economy. Cheaper gas wouldn't do a damn thing. The economy tanked from a decade of corupt corporate boardrooms, executives, investment bankers, and accoutnants. This recessions was a CORPORATE driven, not consumer driven, and nothing related to oil. They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and everyone pulled thier money out. When their valuations dropped, it effected their REAL source of $$ - the corporate bond market. Their house of cards collapsed after many years of beign built up during a time of our nations leaders and "elite" running amuk when the public decided that character, ethics, and accountability didn't matter. We've done just fine on minimal iraqi oil for over 10 years. And be serious - if the US "took over" the iraqi oil industry it would mean nothing. First of all, the government doesn't run anything, private industry does. Thats why it works. This isn't a communist/socialist government! We've got plenty of oil right here, it's just cheaper/easier to let others pump themsleves dry.
AMEN, MERCO! Even if 69% of the US is for the war (a figure I doubt), this means: 193.2 Million people for the war (69% of the US) 6.107 BILLION people against the war. (This by the way, is the rest of the world.) War isn't ALWAYS avoidable, but for Christ's sake...this is just arrogance. As though a full scale war is going to stop Saddam* any more than a lone sniper would, right? Also, when Bush* was addressing the nation, he said "...and don't burn the oil. That belongs to the Iraqi people." Puh-lease. If it wasn't already blindingly apparent that the "president*" is a moron, this overt admission of his real intent should clue the rest of you in... *- indicates leader was not democratically elected.
I agree with you Mecro. Most people do hate Americans but is not because of we got this or that it is because we don't mind our damn business. We poke our nose into everyones stuff. I is very simple mind your business. What happens over there has nothing to do wit us. That is their home. Would you take someone coming into your home and telling you to leave?????..... Hell no you would not you would be ready to fight also. It was the same crap in Nam, nosing around trying to tell people what to do. Do we take someone coming here and telling us how to live or how the country should be run?????? Nah there would be all types of issues. As for him having weapons, lets think about it not taking sides but U.N inspectors have been in and out of there for twelve years and found nothing that is mass destructive. if he really had them i think in twelve years you would have found them, on top of that if he had why has he not used them since he is so evil, then on top of that those things could not reach our shores either way, not enough range. And if that were the case that he had it is only fair as we have them also. If only one side has it then it is an unfair advantage and then you get bullied. Kind of like how these companies bully us they have all the money therefore the power so they kind of bully us. We come to sites like this and learn the truth so that we may do what........fight back. It is the same thing. As for this greatest in American history stuff who knows, but i know it will change everything being that the world as a whole does not back this 3 countries don't makeup the world. And even the neighbor countries over there don't want this and they are the ones that could get hit by him. Open your eyes people, you watch the news and just take in but you don't ask questions and look deep into stuff. Like children being lead by the hand. All that is needed is just be fair to all people and if you don't agree with them then leave them the hell alone. "Let some one come and take over your house and tell you what to do and see if you like it"
Saddam has claimed that he didn't have any SCUDS left but one maybe two of the missiles that were shot down so far were SCUDS. When the banned warheads we found in Iraq he claimed they were "overlooked". Come on, just another lie he has told everyone. His time has come. Bye Saddam. One more thing t_sims224 you said: "All that is needed is just be fair to all people and if you don't agree with them then leave them the hell alone." This is one of the stupidest comments I have ever read. The US didn't agree with Hitler and he took over half of Europe. He mass murdered tons of people, we didn't agree with that, should we have just let him do that??? I don't think so. Maybe you should ask France if we should have ignored it. I don't think they would be here right now if we went by your comment. The US is not always right, but were right more than we are wrong. We have helped many, many countries. Ask those countries if we should just ignore them. Think before you write something like that.
Re: Re: 1 Hour left........... He can say that he wants and he can have what he wants. That is the freedom that you are suppose to be entitled to. He has the right to have weapons to protect himself just as we have the same right. Who the hell is anyone to tell another that you cannot have anything to protect yourself. That is BULLSH*T. Why he cant have bombs but we can. I guess he should trade his Scud for a patriot missile and that would be better because he could say he has no scuds. As for Hitler taking over i point you to a comment that was made on NBC yesterday it was said that a couple of days after this war we will own Iraq. What the funk does that sound like. Sounds like a damn take over. As for mass murder look at your own hands and see the blood. Look what was done to the Indian's and the Black's. This is stuff that has had such a ripple effect that these people will never totally recover from. Spare me this crap about Hitler there is no comparison. Also ask the Mexicans because that is how we got Texas you know. Think before you write because Desert Storm was 12 years ago and in that 12 years what has that man done since he is so evil. He has done nothing. Also ask yourself this prior to Desert Storm it is know that the Iraqi dollar was worth three times what the US dollar was. And after the war just fifty cents, their entire economy was crushed. You cannot force your way of thinking on others that is not right. Agree to disagree and walk away. I also noticed that you did not make a case for the numerous points i made, does that mean you don't know, yuo refused to respond or you just saw the correctness of the statement, as you would not stand for someone imposing them self on you in the same manner PS. Thetraveler, your name does not serve you correctly because if you have traveled you would see how the rest of the world is and acts and know that just because this is the US it is not always right. Also know that we don't need to be everyones big brother. The US is very small in comparison to the world, and even smaller when the world does not agree and or see the justification in what you did.
Re: Re: 1 Hour left........... I will not answer all your points because I just don't have the time. I took exception to the prior statement you made. "Who the hell is anyone to tell another that you cannot have anything to protect yourself. That is BULLSH*T" If the world was left to itself to do what it wanted the entire world would be in chaos. So you have no problem what is happening in Africa with the ethnic cleansing? The world can't sit by and let ruthless dictators kill and maim who they want. "Hitler there is no comparison" Your right, Hitler was much worse. But Saddam on a much smalled scale has done some of the things Hitler has done. "Why he cant have bombs but we can. I guess he should trade his Scud for a patriot missile and that would be better because he could say he has no scuds" What are you talking about? I scud is meant to kill and a patriot missile is meant to shoot down the SCUD. They are completely different types of missiles. If Iraq lied once how many other times have they lied? Iraq said they would disarm. If they had actually disarmed like Saddam said he would do then we wouldn't be where we are right now. He AGREED to have limited weapons. Also we never said he couldn't have weapons. Think about it. "we will own Iraq" We will never own Iraq. We will occupy it and help rebuild it. Owning Iraq is what our opponents want you to think. "Look what was done to the Indian's and the Black's. This is stuff that has had such a ripple effect that these people will never totally recover from" I agree, what the government did to these cultures was totally unthinkable. But you also have to remember we were not the only people to have slaves. Even now there are cultures that have slaves. "Think before you write because Desert Storm was 12 years ago and in that 12 years what has that man done since he is so evil. He has done nothing." Do you know what your talking about? Did you hear what Saddam did to the Kurds in Northern Iraq after Desert Storm? Did you hear how he killed and gassed his own people? He has "rape rooms" which you can guess what happens there. Come on, know what your taliing about before you respond like that. "Thetraveler, your name does not serve you correctly because if you have traveled you would see how the rest of the world is and acts and know that just because this is the US it is not always right" I have traveled but no I haven't seen the entire world. I believe everyone has the right to say and believe what they want. As my previous posts states the US is not always right.
Re: Re: 1 Hour left........... A little history lesson as to who created the man we now want dead. Draw your own conclusions as to why we're doing this. ---------------------------------------------------------- This, also from the Teicher affidavit: â??In June, 1982, President Reagan decided that the United States could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran. President Reagan decided that the United States would do whatever was necessary and legal to prevent Iraq from losing the war with Iran. â??CIA Director [William] Casey personally spearheaded the effort to ensure that Iraq had sufficient military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to avoid losing the Iran-Iraq war,â? the affidavit continued. Moreover, says Teicher, the U.S. actually provided military advice to the Iraqis, relaying U.S. intelligence to Saddam from the highest levels of the U.S. government, from President Reagan and then-Vice President Bush, father of the current president. The record shows that in 1983, Rumsfeld â?? then President Reaganâ??s special envoy to the Middle East, now secretary of defense â?? told senior Iraqi officials that the use of poison gas â??inhibitedâ? normal relations between the two countries. ----------------------------------------------------------- We need to stop this blind loyalty to our political parties. It's both foolish and dangerous. We need to start caring again by reading and researching facts before making decisions that shape our lives. This board is a perfect example of what can be accomplished when we educate ourselves and act. That's my soapbox for the night.
Re: Re: 1 Hour left........... I think many of us should just agree to disagree. The liberals will always whine about Iran Contra, despite the fact that Mr. Reagan saved our butts from nuclear obliteration and brought back a great economy (I will not argue further on this as facts are facts and this is a credit board and not the place to carry an extended debate). Bill clinton for all we know trades arms for hookers with Iraq. I wouldnt personally put it past him. My point simply is that bubba should have taken the stack of Hustlers off of the bills and ammendments laying on his desk that required his attention. Bush spouted the word FIRE and the military went to action. I must and will respect that. I'm sure the only time Clinton ever yelled Fire was when Monica was on her knees. I personally thank God we don't have Gore in office right now. His position on settling the Iraq crisis of weapons of mass destruction would have been him inviting Saddam to Camp David and saying something like "You can only build one nuclear missle per week and it must be built in a way to where it doesn't harm the ozone layer when it enters our atmosphere." This war is not about the oil to the US. However to the alleged "pacifist" countries that opposed us at the UN, it WAS about oil and bedt owed them by Iraq. Simple logic dictated to them that if the US bombs Iraq that all those billions Saddam owes them will never get paid back. THAT is why we were opposed at the UN, Not by countries who genuinely had a moral issue with the war. They knew it would have been quite unlikely that Swedish pacifist UN inspectors would have come back and recommended war to the UN. Just my opinion. And I will say no more on the issue here as it is not the place to carry on political debate. Thank you!
Re: Re: 1 Hour left........... It has nothing to do with political parties. Bush IS the President and deserves the respect of the office. I may not have chosen to go to war against Iraq but at this point the military and the government deserve our support. This is likely to be a short war and I believe we will find the weapons Saddam said he didn't have. In any case it is definately too late to be second guessing this decision.
Re: Re: 1 Hour left........... I HAVE seen most of the world, traveling on a US Gov't passport (ie, on official government business, not as a tourist). I have worked directly with UN nations and operations. I know that which I speak of. This is not the forum for political debate, but suffice it to say that those who are most vocal against this action show a flat out ignorance of how the US systems of economics and government operate and the basic premise on which it is based on. And they either suffer from amnesia or are also ignorant of the past 20 years of the UN and US's history in military matters. And contrary to all this "it's about oil" nonsense, it's France and Russia that have immense financial interest in the iraqi oil industry and sadams control of it. As a matter of fact, they didn't resist this action until they realized that their existing oil deals with sadam were not guaranteed to be honored when he was removed.
Re: Re: 1 Hour left........... I assume you're either on this board because your a deadbeat looking for ways to beat the system or you have experienced problems regarding the accuracy of your credit report. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and you have issues regarding your credit report, which president signed the Fair Credit Reporting Act into law in 1996? You remember, the law that allows you to have access to your credit report and dispute inaccurate information. By the way, do you support Section 126 of the Domestic Security Act of 2003 that president Bush would like to sign into law? If you haven't read it, you should. As for PNWMAN, It is MY RIGHT and duty as a American to speak out and second guess when ever I damn well please!
