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  1. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Friday, March 21, 2003
    Good Luck and Godspeed to our Marines! Gung Ho and onward to Bagdad!
    ----------------------
    MARCH 2003
    1st Marine Division (REIN)
    Commanding General's Message to All Hands




    For decades, Saddam Hussein has tortured, imprisoned, raped and murdered the Iraqi people; invaded neighboring countries without provocation; and threatened the world with weapons of mass destruction. The time has come to end his reign of terror. On your young shoulders rest the hopes of mankind.

    When I give you the word, together we will cross the Line of Departure, close with those forces that choose to fight, and destroy them. Our fight is not with the Iraqi people, nor is it with members of the Iraqi army who choose to surrender. While we will move swiftly and aggressively against those who resist, we will treat all others with decency, demonstrating chivalry and soldierly compassion for people who have endured a lifetime under Saddam's oppression.

    Chemical attack, treachery, and use of the innocent as human shields can be expected, as can other unethical tactics. Take it all in stride. Be the hunter, not the hunted: never allow your unit to be caught with its guard down. Use good judgment and act in the best interests of our Nation.

    You are part of the world's most feared and trusted force. Engage your brain before you engage your weapon. Share your courage with each other as we enter the uncertain terrain north of the Line of Departure. Keep faith in your comrades on your left and right and Marine Air overhead. Fight with a happy heart and strong spirit.

    For the mission's sake, our country's sake, and the sake of the men who carried the Division's colors in past battles - who fought for life and never lost their nerve - carry out your mission and keep your honor clean. Demonstrate to the world there is "No Better Friend, No Worse Enemy" than a U.S. Marine.

    J. N. Mattis
    Major General, U.S. Marine Corps
    Commanding
     
  2. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

  3. thetravele

    thetravele Well-Known Member

    t_sims, do you not have an answer to my post?
     
  4. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    << Pass this on to everyone you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think this soldier says it all.

    Letter from radio station website in Lubbock, home of the Dixie Chick that

    spewed forth about our president:


    Name: LT Layne McDowell

    Date: 03/15/03

    Time: 01:54:49 PM


    Com ment

    An open letter to the Dixie Chicks:

    Earlier this week, while performing in London, you stated that you were ashamed that our President is from your home state. I wonder if you realized how many Americans would be listening. This American was listening. This Texan is ashamed that you come from my state. I serve my country as an officer in the United States Navy. Specifically, I fly F-14 Tomcats off carriers around the world, executing the missions that preserve the very freedom you claim to exercise. I have proudly fought for my country in the skies over Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan without regret. Though I may disagree wholeheartedly with your comments, I will defend to the death your right to say them in America. But for you to travel to a foreign land and publicly criticize our Commander in Chief is cowardice behavior. Would you have so willingly made those comments while performing for a patriotic, flag-waving crowd of Texans in Lubbock. I would imagine not. How dare you pocket profits off songs about soldiers, their deaths and patriotism while criticizing their Commander in Chief abroad, even while they prepare to give their lives to ensure your own freedom of speech. Please ask yourself, what have you done to deserve that sacrifice? Do not try to justify your comments by claiming that you made them only because you care about innocent lives. Never once in our history have we committed troops to war for the purpose of taking innocent lives. We do it to protect innocent lives, even yours. If the world leaders of the late 1930's had the vision and courage of our present Commander in Chief, perhaps the evil men who caused the death of millions in WWII would have never had the opportunity to harm a soul. The potential loss of millions of lives in the future at the hands of today's evil men necessitate action. In a separate correspondence, I am returning to you each and every Dixie Chicks CD and cassette that I have ever purchased. Never again will I allow my funds to support your behavior. All you have done is to add your name to a growing list of American "Celebrities" who have failed to realize that they have obtained their successes on the backs of the American blue-collar workers such as our servicemen and women.


    To Natalie Maines: This Texan, this American will continue to risk his life to guarantee your freedoms. What will you do to deserve it?

    The END ************************* LB 59
     
  5. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    How Soon We Forget

    Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following MultipleChoice test.

    (The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened! Do you remember?)

    1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
    a. Olga Corbitt
    b. Sitting Bull
    c. Arnold Schwartzeneger
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over
    by:
    a. Lost Norwegians
    b. Elvis
    c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

    3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
    a.John Dillinger
    b. The King of Sweden
    c. The Boy Scouts
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: a.
    A pizza
    delivery boy b.
    Pee Wee Herman
    c. Geraldo Rivera
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair
    by:
    a. The Smurfs
    b. Davy Jones
    c. The Little Mermaid
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
    a. Captain Kid
    b. CharlesLindberg
    c. Mother Teresa
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages
    of 17 and 40

    7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
    a. Scooby Doo
    b. The Tooth Fairy
    c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
    a.Richard Simmons
    b. Grandma Moses
    c. Michael Jordan
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    9. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
    a.Mr.Rogers
    b. Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems
    c.The World Wrestling Federation d. Muslim male extremists mostly between
    the ages of 17 and 40

    10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed
    into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted to a crash by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
    a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy
    Duck and Elmer Fudd
    b. The Supreme Court of Florida
    c.Mr. Bean
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    11. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
    a.Enron
    b. The Lutheran Church
    c. The NFL
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
    a. Bonny and Clyde
    b. Captain Kangaroo
    c. Billy Graham
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    Nope, .........I really don't see a pattern here to
    justify profiling, do you?

    So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to
    profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning former Governors.

    Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria Aldreds and other dunder headed attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to
    thwart common sense feel doubly ashamed of themselves. As the writer of the award winning story Forest Gump so aptly put it, "Stupid is as stupid
    does!"
     
  6. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    Fat chance on that one Brown.

    :)
     
  7. humblemarc

    humblemarc Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    Lbrown,
    are you f*ck*ng serious? Are you a racist or do you just play one on t.v.?

    Should i make a poll about:
    most (if not all) corrupt CEO executives being white males?
    most(if not all) serial killers being white males?
    most(if not all) illegal immigrants being mexican?
    most (if not all) gang members in Watts being african-americans?
    most (if not all)kkk members being white?
    most (if not all)people having abortions being female?
    most (if not all)people who attend synagogue being jewish?
    most (if not all) nazi's in 1945 being German?
    most (if not all) communists (today) either live in China or Cuba?

    And shame on anybody who read that crap and didn't see anything wrong with it.
    ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!
    REPREHENSIBLE!

    POST LIKE THAT MAKE YOU NO BETTER THAN THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE EXACT SAME THING THEY DO SHOULD BE KILLED >>>>>>>LIKE THE TERRORISTS!

    GET A GRIP PEOPLE!
    Timothy McVeigh was a white american gulf war vet. Does that mean we should kill off and profile all white american male gulf war vets??????

    WAKE THE HELL UP!
     
  8. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    Oh tone it down Marc, geezis.

    lol
     
  9. humblemarc

    humblemarc Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    I will do no such thing.

    all the crap in this thread. . .

    give me a break.

    fear-based opinions. nonsense, apathy, political rhethoric.

    does anyone think for themselves anymore, or just spout off some crap they heard or read in the news?

    my goodness.

    people need to spend more time reading the works of the founding fathers, shakespeare, plato, ALL of the religious books of the major religions, etc. and of course,
    BEING KIND, COMPASSIONATE, AND HARMLESS in deed and action.

    then i'll tone it down.

    people better hope and wish this war doesn't last too long, or we are seing the beginning of WWIII.
    terrorist or not,
    christian, jew, arabic, buddhist, atheist, alike will all being praying for a miracle if this leads to nuclear war.

    Wake up and see the future, it's not that hard if one stops living in fear and subconscious programming!!
     
  10. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    We're just witnessing the last dying gasps of a completely morally bankrupt and defunct ideology.

    The cold war brought an [almost] end to communism without firing a shot. Unfortunately there's another ideology with which we must now do battle. Saddam, Bin Laden et al, believe the world should be 100% Muslim. We should ALL be commanded to study the Quaran all day, pray 10 times a day, to the east of course and live on $2 a month while all the treasures of our societies go to the human Gods we must obey.

    We, on the other hand believe that the only Moral way to run a society is with freedom and liberty. Beating within the heart of EVERY man/woman is a God given desire to be free.

    Freedom is not Americas gift to the world, it's Gods gift to mankind.


    The clash between these two civilizations is what we see played out on the battlefield of Iraq and Afghan.

    These people simply must NOT prevail in their dream of a utopian society where we are all enslaved to our Allah human incarnate, (whose name would most likely be Mohammed) or have our heads removed in the town square.

    Sure the world needs peaceful people who are ... ahem ... "harmless" ... to use your word. But we also need men who are ready and willing to KICK ass when the time is right.

    I have read the religious books you mentioned. The one that is most accurate, in my humble opinion, is the Bible. Although I am not a religious person, it seems to me that the Bible says "there's a time to fight and a time to WIN"? (Ecclesiastes comes to mind).


    People were afraid of WWIII during Gulf War 1 too.
    Peace will come! But only AFTER we completely defeat this ridiculous notion that if you're not Muslim you should be dead. A philosophy which, by the way, is most present in "Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40". (That's all Brown meant)



    Also I hope Kim Jong [mentally] Ill is watching this action carefully. I really don't think little zipper head wants any part of this countries military.

    You don't get all this done by being "harmless".

    :)

    When peace does finally come, maybe the whole of mankind, all over the world, won't all have to be so afraid.

    Just calm down. It'll all be ok, I promise.
     
  11. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    I actually have a soft spot in my heart for you mark. I used to be exactly where you are right now. If this were to anyone but you I wouldn't spend the time.


    I knew of all the conspiracies, and the IRS thievery, the lying-cheating-stealing politicians and all the crap I've heard you mention many times before.

    It was VERY difficult to get all of that stuff worked through, and I still have a long way to go. But I was MISERABLE.

    At every turn I was looking for proof that all that I suspected was true. I just HAD to be right so I could tell all the people who "just don't seem to get it" that "I told you so". Looking over my shoulder all the time, "waiting for the other shoe to drop" was a miserable way to live.

    I used to tell everyone to "WAKE THE HELL UP AND SEE THE FUTURE". Hell, I guess I still do sometimes. But at least today it's not everyone, just a few Liberals with whom I disagree. LOL

    The hardest thing I had to come to terms with was my own limitations. Yeah, I wish I could single handedly fix it all but I can't and neither can you Marc.

    AA that has a very cool prayer.

    God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.


    I hope you don't have to spend the rest of your life HATING our government for all the bad they've done, and hating everyone else because they can't see the "obvious". Lifes just too short Marc. Maybe those who "don't get it" are happy, so maybe they really do get it. Get it? :)

    Happiness really is available for the asking.

    :)
     
  12. islandboy

    islandboy Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    humblemarc,

    you write of being humble and compassionate yet your calling someone racist is not in touch with you expect. is there anything that was not true in what lbrown asked in his multiple choice questionnaire?

    political correctness is getting in the way of the truth. there is no one here saying that all muslims are bad and evil, but the fact is that evil does exist in an islamic form just like is exist in the form of white males, as you stated in in your line of questioning. although I feel that white males pose more of a threat to our national security than extremist islamists, except for white male and female liberals who may think they what is best for our national security.

    all the victims of all white male serial killers combined over the past 100 years do not add up to what happened on 9/11.

    why is so easy for people to call someone a "racist" but it is so hard to call someone a "terrorist" or a "murderer". it is so amazing that actual facts do not matter, the only thing that matters is what make you feel good.

    for someone who proclaims to be humble I sense much anger and hatred. most humble folks do not demonstrate such anger and hatred, even for people they do not agree with.
     
  13. humblemarc

    humblemarc Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    First to Butch,
    I hate no one. Nor do i live my life "looking over my shoulder."
    In fact, it pains me to see all the hate and selfishness in the world.
    But most importantly, i UNDERSTAND and REAL-IZE that each and every person has free will.
    Free will to live compassionately, lovingly, and harmlessly, no matter what another person may do or say.
    Don't get me wrong, i strongly believe in SELF-DEFENSE. . .
    Don't confuse humility with passiveness or harmlessness with pacificity.
    These things are not mutual exclusive, but one has to transcend their own selfish programming to REAL-IZE the consequence of their actions.
    would i let someone rape and pillage my friends, family, and neighbors without doing something? Most likely not.
    But one has to be honest (and insightful) enough to understand that by killing the rapist and pillager, one has to deal with the reprecussions of their own actions.
    How much so on an international scale when the motives are more complicated and less noble than "enacting justice" for the weak and defenseless.
    As I have noted before, there are many countries that repress and terrorize their citizens (even America to some degree). If one is going to "police the world" at least be honest about your intentions, and not spread the propaganda that Saddam is the greatest threat to American security.
    When America sends 250,000 troops to stop the civil wars in Africa where millions of children have been/are used for human sheilds, or America sends troops to Tibet where Chinese troops have for the past 20 years, killed pregnant woman by sticking their bayonets into their wombs, then and only then, will I believe America has the purest intentions for the "world community"
    More importantly, people need to "wake up" and stop blindly being "patriotic" and listening to all the "supposed" reasons for the war or any belief they have for that reason.

    to islandboy,
    i have found that people who have problems with my "screen name" lack humility themselves. . .

    As i told Butch,
    Don't confuse humility with passiveness or harmlessness with pacificity.
    Also, as I said before, Lbrown's post was racist. Does that mean he is. . . i don't know him well enough to know.
    Yes, they are indeed facts, but i'm sure you know that most polls are skewed in such way to generate a desired response.
    ie. the meaning of my post.
    I can single out any group of people and formulate a "factual" quiz that only leaves that group as the people of disparage.
    Actually, if anyone is more concerned over my post, than Lbrown's, factual or not, just doesn't get what true compassion and kindness is all about. . .

    here's a quiz for you, What's the largest religion in the world. . .. ?
    Islam
    That's right.
    So to pick an extreme small group of crazy fundamentalist, and say that's a reason to start "profiling" an entire group of people is RACIST.

    As for my 'anger' and lack of humility. . .
    the time has come for people to stop leaving in fear and separation and start realizing what's really important in life.
    Let's take a hypothetical here.
    If everyone in the world was kind, compassionate, and had a "live and let live" attitude would that world be better than the one we live in now?
    Of course it would. Is it practical? Probably not, but i can only live my life. . and that's the type of world i live in. I surround myself with people who feel and act the same.
    Also, what's the greatest gift someone can give to someone in err? To correct their mistake and point it out to them. Every religion and spiritual philosophy says the same. Do you let a child stick a fork into electrical socket without correcting them?
    so how much so does that principle apply to a grown adult who should know better?
    My words are not for those who get defensive or aren't willing to listen. they are for those with open minds and a willingness to examine their beliefs, thoughts, and actions, and are willing, perhaps even, happy to change to become compassionate ,loving beings.
    Again, don't confuse humility with passivity or a willingness to accept ignorance or even "evil" attitudes or actions.
    But the time is coming for people to take a very serious look at their beliefs and the attitudes. The state of the nation and the world depends on it.
    Some might look upon my posts as gibberish or "conspiracy theory" or whatever, but those who are truly humble, see the truth in what i say.

    BTW- I lost a college best friend, and a ex-girlfriend in 9/11, but that has nothing to do with what is going on in our country or even Iraq, nor do i let that loss affect my thinking.
    If i was "political correct" i would say bomb the hell out of Afghan. Iraq, and the French . . . like most people say (or at least the polls say that)

    Finally, it is the same "factual" opinions, that will convince Americans to allow extreme "security measures" that allow white, black, latino, etc. males and females to be placed into "profiling" for anyone who doesn't profess the beliefs of the American govt. in the very near future.
    did you read the history of the SS#?

    http://consumers.creditnet.com/straighttalk/board/showthread.php?s=&postid=323660#post323660

    I hope you and anyone else reading this post will be open minded and fearless enough to see that this is happening at an alarmingly fast rate in our country RIGHT NOW. It is up to you to see what is happening and will happen. I can't MAKE you, nor would i want to. I can only warn you of what will happen whether you believe it or not. . .
     
  14. humblemarc

    humblemarc Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    One last point that needs to be revisted-
    Regardless, of my views, your views, the world's views. . . this war in Iraq, if not ended soon, has a VERY HIGH chance of starting a WWIII. It's as simple as connect the dots.
    Just because other wars haven't lead to WWIII doesn't mean one can forever roll the dice without hitting craps.
    If that makes me paranoid, a "conspiracy theorist", unpatriotic, or angry, so be it. I studied political science in college, specifically zero-sum games relating to nuclear war, under one of the foremost poli. scientists in America.(one of those guys who counsels the joint chiefs of staff on a regular basis) so those who think i'm full of BS needs to do some research on the opinions of most of the "think tanks" in every country, concerning this war. (NO! one will not find this info. watching CNN or even reading the NYTimes)
    So regardless of if this war is justified or not, the potential consequences of this war are more far-reaching than 9/11 or even "national security."
     
  15. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    Give one to SEARS !

    Thank you Sears

    IT IS ALL ABOUT HOW YOU TREAT THE PROTECTORS OF OUR LAND.

    I assume you have all seen the reports about how Sears is treating its reservist employees who are called up? By law, they are required to hold their jobs open and available, but nothing more. Usually, people take a big pay cut and lose benefits as a result of being called up...

    Sears is voluntarily paying the difference in salaries and maintaining all benefits, including medical insurance and bonus programs, for all called up reservist employees for up to two years. I submit that Sears is an exemplary corporate citizen and should be recognized for its contribution.

    I suggest we all shop at Sears, and be sure to find a manager to tell them why we are there so the company gets the positive reinforcement it well deserves.

    This is definitely one to pass on.

    The END ************************* LB 59
     
  16. thetravele

    thetravele Well-Known Member

    Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG????
     
  17. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    Oh we are AJ. Someday this will all be over and we'll all still be friends.

    :)
     
  18. t_sims224

    t_sims224 Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    I am with you Humblemarc. If you have seen the earlier post I have tried to break it down to these guys. But there is no teaching the blind to read. It just won't happen. they don't understand cause and effect. They scream all this stuff about it is for 911 or to bring peace and protect our freedoms. But yet they don't show were this man has anything to do with the mentioned situation or infringing on our rights.
    Do the math people the freedom you think we have we don't. Our lives and property are tracked by SSN's, we are severely over taxed and the simplest thing that most advanced countries have free health care, we don't. There is no money to create jobs in a time of the worst unemployment in recent times but there is 75 billion to go start a war else were. Connect the dots. The lack of a clue that you guys are missing is what has kept me from responding. The ignorance level is crazy.

    PS. And Humblemarc was right you guys should study and you will see that Islam is the world's largest religion. It is also a peaceful one, but it does not accept alot of the loose ways of some other religions.
     
  19. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    Maybe it is you that needs to do some more reading. There were 33 countries that voted in favor of Resolution 181. Have you ever read the Balfour Declaration, some 30 years before Res 181? Maybe you should read up on Harry Truman.
    Thats right, all of us blind folk have yet to admit its really about the oil. You can tell us all we told you so after we bomb Columbia, Venezuela, and Argentina - since they supply us with more oil then all of the Persian Gulf combined.

    I'm sure the families of the 3000+ Kurds that died from exposure to mustard gas and sarin are pretty darn sure SOMEONE used them.

    .
    You really should read up on our constitution. The people have never voted for the president we vote for electors who are PLEDGED to vote for a particular candidate. Now, I'm not saying I'm opposed to changing how we elect President, but you should really get your current facts straight.

    Well do you want less taxes, or more freebies? Simple math (I think you referred to it in another post about the numbers for and against the war). Explain how it is supposed to be paid for. BTW if "free" healthcare is so great, I'm sure you will be happy to wait months for non-emergency surgery. I have a friend in Mexico with a tumor in his stomach. He was scheduled for surgery in June--last December.

    Yep, that statement looks pretty bad for our President. Too bad you didn't finish it. "It belongs to the people of Iraq".

     
  20. thetravele

    thetravele Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: CAN YOU PASS THIS QUIZ ?

    t_sims you talk about educating us but I directed a message to you and I would like an answer. I broke down your message and would like the same from you. Answer each question(if you can).

    [/quote]"my numerous paragraphs of fact based information"

    Your posts consisted of one huge paragraph and a couple small ones. I was beginning to wonder if you knew what a paragraph is. PLEASE, PLEASE use the spell checker at the end of your post. Alot of your sentences were very hard to understand or totally unintelligible.

    "And your right the entire world is not opposed to this war but only the U.S and the U.K are for it. So how many countries does that leave out"

    There are between 30-35 countries who are supporting the war. And in all the countries there are people that are either for the war or against it. There are French, German, Turkish,and Russian people that support the war. Just because the government doesn't support the war doesn't mean people who live there don't.. Your general comments are just stupid.

    "PS. My response to the Fico comment was not a clean up also. It simply was stating that you try to make correction but your corrections are going the opposite"

    What????? Do you not know how to compose a sentence? This is why I don't respond to some of you comments, I just don't understand them(do you?).


    "Part of the war probably is for the oil but we are not the only country concerned about oil. I will lead you to France who has very cheap oil contracts with Saddam. They would prefer that we never got into this war so they could keep getting their cheap oil. Even now in the UN they are asking that their oil contracts be honored after the war. Give me a break."

    Why do you just ignore this? It's because you know it's true. When someone calls you on something you just ignore it.

    "Peter Jennings's let me remind you this is the same guy that said we will own Iraq in a matter of days."

    You keep referring to this one comment. Peter Jennings doen't speak for anyone but himself. Unless you hear it from someone in the American government don't use it against the government.

    "You guys want to boycott France why because they don't agree with you"

    No because they are two faced. They are trying to say this is about Iraq and their people but in truth it is because they want to keep their generous oil contracts with Saddam.

    "This is wrong for you to go to another country to over throw it's leadership, it is just wrong"

    Did you speak out about this when Iraq invaded Kuwait and looted and killed thousands of people? What about Afghanistan? Should we have left the Taliban and Al-Queda in power there? I don't think so. Do you?

    " You might free there sprits from there body because you have killed them all"

    Oh please, So far we have gone out of our way to avoid civilian casualties. We could be carpet bombing parts of Iraq instead of using precision guided weapons. We have suffered more casualties because we have tried to avoid killing too many civilians. It is war and it will happen.

    "it always comes to light later that the US has lied in regards to what they were doing an why they did it, did you guys forget Vietnam, the pentagon papers (there is a movie and a book on this). All the lie's and cover-ups that came from our own government, from the reason of being their to that fact that they used Agent Orange on there own people the on top of that did not even take care of the soldiers that returned home"

    Your right. When you make a statement that is actually intelligent I will admit it. But you also have to understand we EVERY countries does this. I wish it didn't happen but thats life.

    "What the hell do you guys even know"

    What seems to make you an expert and the rest of us stupid? Because we don't agree with you? Thats our right as Americans.

    "Iran Contra affair your own governments over her admitted to funding and sending weaponry over there "

    Is it not your country also? You seem to really hate the American government. I know personally I wouldn't stay somewhere that I didn't like. I am lucky, alot of people in the world don't get that option.

    "4. As for weapons of mass destruction it has been twelve years where the hell are they you keep talking about stuff that has not been validated, you say this man has them, so where are they, you say this man has them...so why has he not used them"

    Well for one the found a suspected chemical weapons plant yesterday. We will see if it has or had WMD. If he actually uses them world opinion will shift directly against him. people like you will not be able to say "where are they??" I will bet before the war is over Iraq will have used some chemical weapons, you will then eat those words.

    "This guy is suppose to be so evil and a Tyrant "

    SUPPOSE?????????????? He is EVIL. He has used chemical weapons on HIS OWN people. Get a clue.

    "So what the hell is free here not a damn thing. You got speech, but heck if someone don't like what your saying you might get a bullet in the head or called anti-American,"

    Being called Anti-American is a right someone has. Are you worried that the government is going to come to your house and kill your family if you don't vote a certain way? Most Americans don't even vote. But the minute something goes wrong they are the first people to say something about it.

    "If this is not for oil or region control ask yourself why the president would say in his address to the country "please don't destroy the oil""

    Do you not remember what Iraq did to Kuwait? Doesn't the oil belong to the people of Iraq? When Saddam is gone Iraq will have to sell oil to make money. They need the money to rebuild. hello????

    "waste of my time"

    If its a waste of your time, why do you keep responding? Could it be that there are things being said that proves you wrong?

    I can see you have a deep hatred of what the government has done to people in the past. While we have done some bad things but we have done far more good things than bad. It is my right to disagree and believe what I want. You should not consider someone stupid because they disagree with you.[/quote]
     

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