I discovered Creditnet long ago while working on getting my spouse out of the quagmire that is Cross Country Bank. Since then, my only connection, for the most part, with Creditnet is to read and enjoy, pick up a few bits of advice, etc. I am blessed with solid credit, and minimal worries in that area. My main objective in the credit arena is to see Rocco and his gang at CCB brought to justice. (With the positive progress of at least one class action, it appears we will finally hit Rocco in the wallet like he's never been hit before... ) I am, however, about fed up with the two bickering children posting here...e.g. Bkev and Bbauer... So, if our beloved PBM is wavering as far as what to do, here's another vote to ban them both. The biggest shame is that they both seem to have a lot to offer...but they can't check their egos at the door... Happy holidays to all! Don
I agree with you. Too bad the 30-something people who have viewed this thread and agree with you don't raise their voice so that perhaps your suggestions could become reality.
There is a very simple solution. People come to this board to get and give advice....no charge for either. I think BBauer should just plain and simple stop advertising and give the advice so many of us seek, or pay for advertising so those who would like to purchase his advice can do that. I was in credit hell and this board has taken me to citi platinum and amex blue, but I hate to see this guy being so vague about what to do when people ask questions. If you know the answer give details and help. This is not to make you mad Bill or hurt your feelings. It`s just a comment from a long time lurker.
Yep, that seems to work for me. I`ll post once in a while if I can help. Don`t get me wrong Bill, I have used some of your advice on the board, but apparently some people are just not happy with your style. You have to much valuable advice to give rather than lurk...easy on the marketing
Thank you. But then, I guess that those who want my advice will be able to obtain it by simply emailing me. I'll always be glad to do what I can for them.
My point exactly. Those of us who are "lurkers" appreciate ALL the good info...fron Bill...from Bkev...from everyone. Whenever I can help just a little, it is like repaying a debt. On the other hand, if Bill simply posts advice and input, let's us figure out on our own about his services, my guess is Bkev will refrain from attacking. If you both were clueless idiots, no one would care. Your expertise is worth saving to the point of raising this issue...
Shirley and all, I didn't want to get involved in this, but since I'm one or two of the "30-something people" who viewed the thread, I thought I give my 2 cents. I've been on the board since April of this year. When I found it, I was about half way through my repair process. I've gotten invaluable information from many people, some are still here some are gone or occasional lurkers. Bill was here before me, and helped me a couple of times directly (for free) both on and offline, and indirectly through posts to others. Bkev showed up when I was in a lull for a couple of months. I was done except for a couple of stubborn derogs, and didn't visit the board for a while. Bkev also has helped me indirectly, which is no different from Bill, he helped me solve a problem I couldn't seem to solve myself. So they are bickering and/or selling wares, etc. It is somewhat distracting, when a thread goes off into lala land. But, It's easy enough for me to ignore either by skipping ahead or closing the thread. And if I really wanted to, I could choose the ignore option for both, but I don't want to. Again my choice. If you and I started an argument and continued to go off on each other, then we should be banned? Roni, joking, said Bill should choke on a turkey bone, should PBM ban her as well? We could go back and find plenty of others who we could ban as well. PBM told both of them to cease & desist, they can deal with that however they want. I'd prefer to keep my attention focused on the credit information and occasionally the light conversation with online friends. I don't want to be the one who decides who should and shouldn't be banned. Just my opinion.
I'm with Pat. Remember the ridiculous "Vote to ban Bkev" thread? Link: http://consumers.creditnet.com/straighttalk/board/showthread.php?s=&pgnum=1&postid=110630 Some members even went so far as to invent rules for how the vote should proceed and under which calendar, etc. As I said before, I think such initiatives accomplish nothing and are entirely inappropriate. Actually I said it better before: http://consumers.creditnet.com/straighttalk/board/showthread.php?s=&postid=108378&#post108378 Doc
It's not a question of banning a person, it's a question of the ethics of taking advantage of a board created for users to help one another to peddle your wares. A newbie that posts here and gets very helpful and useful information from someone like Roni, is often then answered by Bill who talks in circles and implies that Roni's way is wrong and "I know how to do this..." but nothing else. That's designed to worry the confused newbie, who undoubtedly will e-mail bill asking for info. That to me is advertising and advertising should be disallowed in this forum. Why not create a forum for these paid consultants where they can post whatever they want on a paid basis? What if everyone here that was knowledgeable: let's say Saar, Roni, Momof3, NanaC, Marie, etc, decided that hey, Bill gets $50 bucks for giving advice, why should I give it away for free? They'd all start charging and there'd be no use for this board. PBM pays for this website and space. I for one appreciate that and don't appreciate him being ripped off by people who embed their posts with advertisements without paying for the exposure.
Shirley, I'm not disagreeing. I'm just making a different point regarding these "BAN BKEV" and "BAN BBAUER" threads that pop up time and again. Without disagreeing with you, I think my point stands. I also agree that the roots of the problem -- i.e., what are bbauer and Bkev doing that precipitates the reaction -- need to be examined as well. Regardless, it's my sincere hope that we won't see any additional "VOTE HERE TO BAN SO-AND-SO" postings because I think they exacerbate, rather than ameliorate, the problem. Doc
Pat, LOL, you crack me up. (By the way, in case you're using the dictionary, I'm not talking about the kind of "crack" some people smoke.) Doc
My dictionary isn't that up to date. Let me check the date on it, oops knocked over my crac.. pipe, errrr I mean tobacco pipe
Shirley you hit it on the head. There are so many newbies here. By newbie I mean people who have come on board since the new years even. Mom, Dogman, MP$40, Saar, Miles, Sistergirl, NanaC, and list goes on forever have been here for a very long time. We have provided information to newbies for free during that time without a hint of trying to turn a buck from it. But to a newbie, Bill seems to be the best thing since sliced bread. I personally underwent a crazy stalker on this board. I could have and should have left (in fact i left several times during those months). But I stayed. I dont think anyone should be banned. I wasnt 100% for Bobby or Lizardking being banned when he called all of females that all so flattering term. I dont want anyone to ban me. I just think that we should use the ignore button. Newbies, do you know that this is a new board. This board format was created b/c the old board had no registration and any fool would come to the board and terrorize us all. This board has improved alot people. This board is new with a regiatration process and a new ignore button function. USE THE IGNORE BUTTON FOR CHRIST SAKE IF YOU DONT LIKE BILL BAUER OR BKEV OR ME.
Lord knows, most people have me on ignore -- which is great because I can say anything I like and nobody notices. At least that's why I think nobody notices. Well, that may be the reason anyway. Hmm. Invisible Doc
Re: WestCap Replies Hello All, My position with regard to this matter is very simple and to the point. The business of credit restoration and redevelopment is a very complex and detailed process that should be treated as an art form . I sincerely believe that there is not one universal way to achieve the common goal of gaining perfect credit. In forums such as these, there are going to be personality conflicts and different sets of ideological principles that many members may disagree with. There are also going to be members who feel that their advice is so valuable that they have the inherit right to charge a nominal fee for their input. The question that we all must ask as members of this board is simple: Is this board better off because of the postings and advice that is given by the "experts" and is there any problem with them making a few minimal dollars selling their knowledge? The next question that must be answered is "What would happen if all of the "experts" left and created a site that charged $100.00 per hour for their advice and services with a guarantee of success. Would you pay? Most of the private conversations that I have had with some of you clearly indicate that you WOULD pay, IF the results were there. This is NOT where this post is leading and there is no plan for such an action, but I say this because I want you all to see the serious value you are being GIVEN for free or at a reduced rate by certain individuals. If you take the position that this is a "free flowing forum of free information" and it should stay that way, and someone who regularly makes money giving information provides you with even one free tidbit of advice that raises your score 25 points, is it worth having that person "on your team"? I agree that this forum needs to be a place where all types of people from all ends of the credit spectrum should come together to discuss ideas and methods that benefit the group as a whole. As I have stated in my previous posts, I used to be a restoration "expert" commanding fees of ten thousand dollars per client for high net worth individuals to do exactly what we are doing here for YOU! Did my clients ever once complain of the price....Absolutely NOT. There is a price one must pay to achieve perfection and from what I can see, you guys have the experts, including myself, offering to help you for a ridiculously small amount of money or even Free. The information that is disseminated throughout this board is valuable and I can honestly say that I have never seen a more "real time" offering of valid assistance in any group on such a serious matter. The bottom line is if people such as Bill want to make 25.00 to help you, pay them the lousy money once and determine the results for yourself. After having read hundreds of posts on this board, I can honestly say that there are some very knowledgeable people offering to assist those in need. Lets not alienate these folks. Lets listen to them and forget about the personality differences and focus on the main objective of becoming members of the 800 club! Just a thought, WESTCAP
Re: WestCap Replies Your point is well taken Westcap, however, from the creditnet terms of service: ------- g) upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, "junk mail," "spam," "chain letters," "pyramid schemes," or any other form of solicitation, except in those areas (such as shopping rooms) that are designated for such purpose; --------- A person who receives a reply that implies that they require the respondent's valuable info if they want to solve their problem and then is directed to e-mail a "CEO" of a credit repair domain, IMO is unsolicited advertising and against the TOS of this site. at the very minimum, it is promotional in nature and again, against the TOS. The person came here for hep, not to be solicited. I wouldn't mind PBM making not just a few but a lot of bucks from this site since he is paying for it.
