ATT: LIZARDKING, response to my val

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Ender, Jul 13, 2002.

  1. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    The checks if valid only prove at one time there was a debt.
    They do not prove that it still exist,
     
  2. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    What did they Val.?
    That there once was a debt or there is still a debt.?

     
  3. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    I have found that photo copies of a check can be forged.
    Forgeries don't prove anything.
    What happens if Ender pays this CA and it turns out that they weren't authorized to collect it?

     
  4. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    And how is this proved? If I say, " I believe I paid this off.. " Then they will ask me, do you hae a receipt - I say no I don't. Then what? It is up to them to prove I paid it because they need to prove the debt exists? There is no burden on me to provide proof that I paid it?

    How wil lthat stand in court??
     
  5. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    So this is what I am interpreting from your msg.
    1. Don't claim I paid it.
    2. Send them a follow up letter asking them to provide proof and the same form letter again asking for validation; otherwise they are validating FDCPA. Also note in my letter that SOL is past. If they cannot provide validation, then remove the negative tradeline on my CR, or else get sued.
    3. Amount is different than the check itself, so don't let them know they need to do full accounting.

    If it is NOT removed and validation is NOT done, then sue in Small Claims. My argument will be:

    1. Violated FDCPA - no validation
    2. How is this CA allowed to collect this?
    3. negative item on my CR
    4. item was NOT marked in dispute during validation process

    Is that correct?? Thx..
     
  6. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    That sounds like an EXCELLENT plan. Thanks LK. One thing though, I want to make absolute SURE that the SOL is past. As mentioned before:

    1. Check was written in NV to a place of business in NV
    2. CA is in Calif.
    3. I live in Calif.
    4. Bank Account Check is Drawn From is in Calif.

    So WHAT is the SOL??
     
  7. solzy

    solzy Well-Known Member

    If the Cal courts consider an SOL to be "procedural" a Cal. court would use the Cal. SOL. If the SOL is considered "substantive" than a California court would use the NV SOL.

    If the collection agency files suit in NV, or sends it to a collection lawyer who files suit in NV, or sells it to an NV collection agency, or has an office in NV, or in any way figures out how to get this back to NV (which anybody who spends any time at all analyzing this would try to do as soon as you sent a letter saying the SOL is expired) then it is likely the NV SOL will apply.
     
  8. solzy

    solzy Well-Known Member

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  9. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    So what is my best course of action? There is still yet another year if the NV SOL is used.. I believe NV is 6 years?
     
  10. solzy

    solzy Well-Known Member

    my only advice is I think it is foolish to provide notice of your SOL defense -- why risk the very real possibility of losing a defense you would actually need if they decide to sue?
     
  11. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    so what letter should I follow up with? or what would you advise?
     
  12. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    What if they did countersue in Cal and lost do to Cal. Sol.?
    Can they sue you again in Nev. Where the Sol hasn't expired?
    How many times can they hop from state to state suing you for the same thing?
    How many times can a consumer be tried for the same offense?

     
  13. Saar

    Saar Banned

    In some states, SOL is a not a valid defense in a countersuit! Check the applicable state SOL.


    Saar
     
  14. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    this is a valid point... so can this CA then come back at me then and sue in NV? Or am i hoping that it'll be next year by the time all this occurs and the 6 year SOL will really be over? it has been 5 now.. and around march of next year will be 6.
     
  15. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    This is senless.
     
  16. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    What you suggest sounds good LK.. I will start drafting the letter and post it up and get your guys's opinion..
     
  17. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    LK, here is the letter I will send. What do you think?
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    July 23, 2002

    CA
    ADDRESS
    CITY/ST

    Re: Account #: XXXXXX

    Greetings:

    You have failed to sufficiently answer my request to validate your claim of debt against me. Pursuant to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, I request that you cease further communications with me. I also request that you remove the negative tradeline and inquiry that you placed on my credit report.

    From the FCRA § 616. Civil liability for willful noncompliance [15 U.S.C. § 1681n]

    "(b) Civil liability for knowing noncompliance. Any person who obtains a consumer report from a consumer reporting agency under false pretenses or knowingly without a permissible purpose shall be liable to the consumer reporting agency for actual damages sustained by the consumer reporting agency or $1,000, whichever is greater."

    From the 1998 FTC opinion letter Greenblatt at http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fcra/greenblt.htm:

    "Any person who procures a consumer report under false pretenses, or knowingly without a permissible purpose, is liable for $1000 or actual damages (whichever is greater) to both the consumer and to the consumer reporting agency from which the report is procured."

    If the negative tradeline and inquiry are NOT deleted within 30 days, I will file a lawsuit for violation of the FDCPA and FCRA. Because of the lack of your validation, I will also assume that your collection efforts are being terminated and that you have waived all claims against me.


    Best regards,
    MY NAME

    Cc: ATTORNEY, RETAIL SHOP

    COLLECTORâ??S NOTICE
    From:
    CA INFORMATION

    Re: Account #: XXXXXXXXX

    To:
    MY NAME
    ADDRESS
    CITY, ST ZIP

    This notice is given by the collector so as to comply with Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
    If a consumer notifies a debt collector in writing that the consumer refuses to pay a debt or that the consumer wishes the debt collector to cease further communication with the consumer, the debt collector shall not communicate further with the consumer with respect to such debt, except
    (1) to advise the consumer that the debt collector's further collection efforts are being terminated;
    (2) to notify the consumer that the debt collector or creditor may invoke specified remedies which are ordinarily invoked by such debt collector or creditor; or
    (3) where applicable, to notify the consumer that the debt collector or creditor intends to invoke a specified remedy.
    Please select one of the following by placing an â??Xâ? over the appropriate line.
    Æ?____As the debt collector in this matter, this final notice is to inform you that our collection efforts are being terminated.
    Æ?____As the debt collector in this matter, we may invoke a specified remedy, which is ordinarily invoked by us, to collect this alleged debt.
    Æ?____As the debt collector in this matter, we intend to invoke a specified remedy to collect this alleged debt.

    ______________________________ ________________
    signature of manager or agent date

    This notice is not valid unless completed and signed by an employee or authorized representative of the collector, and timely returned to the consumer. The collector understands that its failure to comply with this federal law may result in civil penalties imposed by the Federal Trade Commission or the United States District Court.
     
  18. solzy

    solzy Well-Known Member

    fyi, fdcpa does not have a provision re asking a collector not to contact you (except where you provide contact info for counsel). It does have a provision requiring the collector cease collection efforts after failing to validate.
     
  19. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    bump
     
  20. Ender

    Ender Well-Known Member

    i am also going to CC the original place as well.. so they are aware of what the CA is doing.
     

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