MON DIEU! We're at war with Iraq and people actually believe that not buying French wine or cheese will change anything? How petty. There was a news clip a few nights ago of some redneck, inbred women in the south pouring French wine into the river, but no where did it show them refusing to buy gasoline supplied by Saudi Arabia, a country both terrorist-friendly and *AHEM* in bed with the Bush administration. I cringed when I saw this embarassing representation of America. (And you wonder why people think we're stupid and arrogant?!) I'll agree...the French bash Americans constantly, and upon reflection of their freedom, it really is ludicrous. Let's not forget however, that we only have our freedom because the French hated the English more than we did. Something that you should take into account though...all the media hype about anti-American protests, yada, yada, yada etc is just that...media hype. I have about a dozen close French friends who all still live en France and they've believed for quite sometime that the US hates France. They, too are shown footage of protests and a hatred for the US is bred, just as ours for the French is. In addition, I'd like you to read the following (translated) correspondance from a 20 year old French woman, when I told her my grandfather was a US soldier in WW2: "I'm crying. I thank your grandfather with all my heart, for liberating us from the Germans. I thank his friends, and everyone who sacrificed so much for my country and my people. That is why America is such a great country, and why the Americans are such a great people." When was the last time any one of us thanked the French for OUR freedom?
There was a news clip a few nights ago of some redneck, inbred women in the south And that isn't petty? Redneck jlynn
This is slightly old news, but welcome to Bizarro World nonetheless: http://slate.msn.com/id/2079975/ Hmm..."Freedom Fries." That has a nice ring to it. Just like the phrase "Freedom Fighters" did back in the 80's. Hey, how about an order of "Freedom Toast" with a side of blowback? wajaba
wondering if a few cruise missles could 'accidentally' go off course and hit France. Im one of those rednecks as well. And if France had anything I ever wanted, I'd be boycotting it. Your Saudi Arabia argument doesnt hold. We HAVE to have oil/gas, just like every single other country on the planet earth. We don't require Evian water or Renaults
I think someone is mistaken if they think I give a rat's ass about what France thinks of us. I care even less about what some ignorant dipshit whose IQ probably matches the temperature in New England in January thinks about "inbred rednecks". Gib
Deborah CETCO-------- Original Message -------- Subject: French Boycott Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:31:19 -0800 From: xxx To: xxx [email addresses removed by Creditnet] You know me and the fact that when I dislike something, such as an advertising campaign or company philosophy, I boycott that company or product. This is my non-violent way of protesting against that dislike. I am fully supporting this boycott, yes even Chivas Regal (scotch), my favorite adult beverage (which I can't drink anymore anyway). I know it won't succeed in bringing the French to their knees, but I will feel better. The French will bring themselves down by themselves. I just want to help them along. I will leave the boycott up to each of you. If you agree and want to participate I welcome you. If you disagree it is your right as an American and I respect that. I only pass this on to make you aware of the amount of companies they own (or partly own) in our country. Do we own anything in our country anymore? Please review this list of major French companies that I feel Americans should boycott. Millions of Americans are joining the Boycott France campaign led by NewsMax.com France has every right to disagree with America. But France has moved from simple dissent to active hostility toward America. French President Chirac warned East European nations that if they side with America, France will oppose their membership in the European Union. This week, William Safire reported in the New York Times that France has been secretly helping to arm Iraq - and has been helping Iraq build long range missiles. These same missiles may soon be used against American soldiers. Just as France is exercising its right to disagree, Americans can exercise their right to boycott -- and avoid helping companies and countries that do no stand with America. French Products and Companies to Boycott The following companies are subject to boycott: Air France Air Liquide Airbus Alcatel Allegra (allergy medication) Aqualung (including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers, and SeaQuest) AXA Advisors. Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas). Beneteau (boats). BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin). BIC (razors, pens and lighters). Biotherm (cosmetics). Black Bush. Bollinger (champagne). Car & Driver Magazine. Cartier. Chanel. Chivas Regal (scotch). Christian Dior. Club Med (vacations). Culligan (owned by Vivendi). Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods). DKNY. Dom Perignon. Durand Crystal. Elle Magazine. Essilor Optical Products. Evian. Fina gas stations and Fina Oil (billions invested in Iraqi oil fields). First Hawaiian Bank. George Magazine. Givenchy. Glenlivet (scotch). Hennessy. Houghton Mifflin (books). Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989). Jameson (whiskey). Jerry Springer (talk show) (That figures!) Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers). Lancome. Le Creuset (cookware). L'Oreal (health and beauty products). Louis Vuitton. Marie Claire. Martel Cognac. Maybelline. Miphisto (shoes and clothes). Michelin (tires and auto parts). Mikasa (crystal and glass). Moet (champagne). Motel 6. Motown Records. MP3.com. Mumms (champagne). Nissan (cars; majority owned by Renault). Nivea. Normany Butter. Parents Magazine. Peugeot (automobiles). Pierre Cardin. Playstation Magazine. ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics, France). Publicis Group (including Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising). RCA (televisions and electronics; owned by Thomson Electronics). Red Magazine. Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in France). Renault (automobiles). Road & Track Magazine. Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France). Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffee makers, etc.). Royal Canadian. Salomon (skis). Sierra Software and Computer Games. Smart & Final. Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor). Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone). Spencer Gifts. Sundance Channel. Taylor Made (golf). Technicolor. T-Fal (kitchenware). Total gas stations. UbiSoft (computer games). Uniroyal. Universal Studios (music, movies and amusement parks; owned by Vivendi-Universal). USFilter. Veritas Group. Veuve Clicquot Champagne. Vittel. Vivendi. Wild Turkey (bourbon). Woman's Day Magazine. Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake). Yves Saint Laurent. Zodiac Inflatable Boats. P.S.: Thanks to GOP lawmakers, cafeterias in the U.S. House of Representatives will today start offering "freedom fries" instead of you know what. Please e-mail this to as many friends and family as you can. Send a message to France that will not be forgotten!
Well, this ignorant dipshit would like to take the liberty of informing you that the period belongs INSIDE the quote "inbred rednecks." Sheesh...if my IQ is as low as you say it is, I'll say a prayer for YOU, buddy... Yuck. You people really are disgusting.
BIC (razors, pens and lighters). MY BIC PENS SAY "MADE IN U.S.A." (EVEN IF IT IS A FRENCH COMPANY) I won't give up something I have been using for 30+ years!!!
I happen to think it's a great idea to boycott them. After all, they supplied Iraq w/ it's nuclear resources in the 80's (which Israel bombed and destroyed in '82), and sold them most of their fighter planes, and other military equipment. Now the French don't want us going in their, b/c they're afraid they won't get the money back that the current Iraqi regime owes them, since we are forcing a change in government. "NO WAR (because we need our money back!!!!!!)." Same thing w/ Russia (whom we practically saved from economic ruin shortly after 1989), and China (who supplied the Iraqi government with the missle that hit Kuwait 2 days ago). What's their reason for ALL vetoing a UN resolution authorizing military force in Iraq? M-O-N-E-Y, and the risk of others finding out that they provided them with weapons. Oh, but I'm SURE that this could have ben resolved if Hans Blix would have had just a little more time....., right? NOT. I'm getting off track, but yeah, boycott the French backstabbers! We saved their butts TWICE. WWI and WW2, MORE than making up for what they did for us in the 1780's.
Aha! That's exactly it, though. France is doing its (feeble) best to protect its economic interests, and guess what? So are we. Anyone who believes that we're fighting this war for the good of the Iraqi people is 100% mislead and mistaken. We're fighting the war for ourselves and our economic interests. If we weren't, we'd be COMPLETELY devoid of logic. The huge cost of going to war is (almost) always justified by the economic benifit that follows the bloodshed. The beauty of all of this dispute in our country is that all of us our exercising our rights as Americans. A freedom that, yes, must be protected (but remember, protection for our rights is only necessary when they are threatened). I'll pray for the safety of our troops, most definitely. But I'll pray for them because they are innocent people, NOT because they are Americans. By the same standard, I'll also say a prayer for all of the innocent citizens of Iraq. If you want to support the war, do so on the basis of what you belive to be right and wrong, not on the basis of national pride. I'm an American who is against the war. I do not support this decision any more than I support Saddam. I support his removal (and then some), but I do not belive war is necessary to do so. I do not support every decision my government makes, but this is BECAUSE I am American. I have been taught to question the status quo, to stand up for what I believe is right (just as Bush is doing now), just as those who founded this country did. Just because we disagree doesn't mean that either one of us is any less of an American. Instead of arguing about all this bull$hit that will change NOBODY'S mind, why don't we band together as a people and just pray that this is over soon, with as few innocent deaths as possible?
wow so the freedom and liberation of the Iraqi people is not even a real consdieration for this war and this is all about the economic oil intrests of the US and to some extent France. This is so logical I wish I had seen it before. It is so illogical to go and drill for oil in Alaska or in the Gulf of Mexico or off the coast of California. My God I should have that going over to Iraq and risking lives in a war with Iraq is much more economic sense then drilling in the areas listed above. Also is makes even more economic sense to go over there and wage war for oil instead of just buying it from Iraq. Thanks for making sure we all are using logic when are looking this conflict in Iraq that is definately not about liberating the Iraqi people and sure the hell is not about making the American people more secure. It is all about the economic logic of fighting for oil instead of just buying it or finding other sources for it.
Re: Re: Boycott France?! What???!!! Maybe it's your poor spelling, maybe it's your poor grammar, but whatever it is I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Is English your first language?
Re: Re: Boycott France?! A lion in the zoo was lying in the sun licking its ass when a visitor turned to the zookeeper and said, "That's a docile old thing isn't it ? "No way," said the zoo keeper, "it's the most ferocious beast in the zoo. Why just an hour ago it dragged a Frenchman into the cage and completely devoured him." Hardly seems possible" said the astonished visitor, "but why is it lying there licking its ass? The poor thing is trying to get the taste out of its mouth."
Re: Re: Boycott France?! even with the poor grammar and omission of some words it is logical that you would not get the point, since it is obvious you do not get the point of this conflict in Iraq.
Re: Re: Boycott France?! No, no, no islandboy... In order to communicate, human beings must speak a language with respect for common rules and norms. You don't, that's why I don't understand you. To say I don't understand the conflict because I don't understand your posting is an argument without merit. It is theoretically possible that independently, both are true, there is no logical connection. Additionally, instead of criticizing, why don't you offer to shed a little light on what YOU believe to be the situation. Whether we care for each other's opinion is irrelevant, but I presented my point of view; it's your turn.
"I support his [Saddam's] removal (and then some), but I do not belive war is necessary to do so." He has refused to leave AND his cabinet has supported him....even AFTER we put a Tomahawk right into his home. Now I'm no strategist ...but...I don't know how in the world there would be another way for us to remove him? Is there any other WORSE pressure besides: 1. 12 years of sanctions by the world community 2. 3/4 of his country is blockaded for 12 years w/ a "no fly zone". 3. The northern part of his country is out of control by periodic uprisings by people who would like to see him ousted. 4. His neighors closely related to him (by virtue of ethnicity), strongly suggested that he step down out of power. 5. Finally, the strongest military in the world bombs his personal family home, in a last ditch effort to get him to leave power. I think anyone in their right mind would have stepped down out of power. Is there anything worse that anyone could do to him? Everyone talks a big talk about how this could have been done peacefully, with more time, and/or more diplomacy. But as you can see, even slight military coersion has not convinced him. When will he give up? The answer is: he won't. If you remember, Hitler didn't stop until all of the territory he gained in WWII was lost, most of Germany had been seized by the Allies, and he didn't even stop there.........he waited until, not when the Allies were moving into Berlin, not when the USSR was bombing Berlin, but not until he heard the Soviet troops marching into Berlin. Then, he finally stopped, he committed suicide. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a parallel.
To relate Saddam to Hitler is unfair...Saddam possesses neither the charisma, nor the mass appeal to even his own people. The Islamic/Muslim world as a whole doesn't regard Saddam highly. Sure, he has his supporters, but so does Pat Buchanan. Does this make him a serious threat? Not really. I certainly believe that Saddam must be forcibly removed, but realistically, are we banking on the off chance that one of our boys in blue is going to put a bullet in his head in a major shoot out? When/if Saddam is killed, it will be a focused ambush. It won't be in a massive military strike that requires what...half a million troops? I'm not anti-war. I simply don't support this particular one. I think the UN is useless. To think the solution rests in that bureaucratic sack of excrement is foolish. I don't know where the answer is, but I just don't believe that a war is justified. Quick question: If we don't catch Saddam, what will we have accomplished?
Oooops...I would like to say though, thank you for your post. It was probably the most informative that I've read and you managed to avoid the flare-ups that detract from the issue. You, my friend, are a credit to the groups with whom you associate.
