Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 This sounds like one of those commercials - "Well no, I am not actually a (lawyer, doctor, virologist, pilot) but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! You know what, you are correct - I don't have any direct experience with this - but my wife, a 15-year attorney specializing in family law in the state of Texas certainly does. In fact, she helped a co-worker with a similar matter after she moved into her own home after having rented at the same complex for nearly 5-years. During that time, she moved to two different units within the complex and each time was required to pay a higher deposit with none of the previous deposit being refunded or credited (or accounted for). At no time during each of these moves did the property management request any payment for damages to the previous apartments. When she moved into her own house, her lease had already expired two-months previous and she was paying month-to-month. She also gave them 40-days, written notice that she was moving out. After she moved - we helped her move because she is a single mom and this included a very thorough cleaning of the apartment - she received a letter from a collection agency stating that she owed $850 for damages as well as a sum for the loss of revenue to the complex during the time the unit sat vacant and that the debt was approaching 90-days past due. The property management company - a nationwide firm - had her forwarding address but at no time ever mailed any type of document itemizing costs of applicable repairs (as required by Texas state law). When contacted, they stated that numerous items required replacing including the carpet but when my co-worker telephoned her former next door neighbor - a stay at home mom - the neighbor stated that a new tenant had moved in within a week of her moving out and that in the time before the new tenants moved in, the carpet had not been replaced but, instead had been steam cleaned and afterwords, the only other "repair" was painting of the apartment by a guy with a power painter (only took 45-minutes for the 2-bedroom apartment). So despite the fact that over a period of 5-years in which my co-worker had paid a total of nearly $1,250 in deposits, the property management company claimed that there was now an additional $850 in "damages". So tell me, given those conditions would you pay the $850? Fortunately, my wife was kind enough to spend an hour or so researching the relevant statutes and found that in Texas, because the property management company had failed to present my co-worker with a written, itemized list of damages within the 30-days following the move out, they had forfeited any rights to pursue the matter further (there are similar statutes in most states in the US). Additionally, since they had not accounted for the disposition of her deposit(s) within the same 30-day time frame, the Texas statues also allowed for my co-worker to seek and recover up to 3-times the amount of the deposits ($3,750). My wife sent a letter to the property management company on behalf of my co-worker and this miraculously resulted in a very prompt settlement (less than 5-days). This settlement included both parties agreeing to wave any claims to purported amounts due as well as the property management company "recalling" the debt from the CA (no derogs had been placed on credit files)! Michael
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 No one is saying that there isn't a "legal" way out of paying the debt. My point was that the moral obligation trumps the legal loophole. An attorney can get you out of most anything in life...except guilt.. The fact remains: The original poster signed a contract, fully understanding what would happen if they didn't live up to the terms of the contract. There's a good reason why attorneys are considered bottom-feeders. They only care about morals when it's convenient. If you are proud that you lie or deceive to save a few bucks, that's a shame.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 So I guess everyone who disputes with a CRA a TL as "not mine" when it actually is would be a bottom feeder in your book.....just using the law and our rights to proper procedure. Since I never received anyting from the apratment complex after I left, I should just roll over and listen to some CA (talk about bottom feeders) when they send me a letter demanding $4000? WTF for? Where is my itemized bill? How do I know that this isn't some scam letter from someone who saw me move out? How do I know what the actual charges were? Are they charging me $2000 for a broken refrigerator that was in great condition on the day I left? I am asking for nothing other than what I am entitled to under the Laws, Codes, and Regulations of the United States of America.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 If you are proud that you lie or deceive to save a few bucks, that's a shame. Not to much smarts ======================== So are you proud of the fact that the landlord and the Ca is violating both landlord tenant laws and the consumer protection laws??????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????/ ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????/ THE END ** *** ** LB 59 """""""""```~~~```'"""""""""
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 You're wasting your time trying to explain this to a dunderhead who thinks it's perfectly OK for creditors to break the laws.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 Did you call the landlord and talk to them? Did you ask them for a resolution? Did you put a change of address in when you left the complex? Did you give the landlord a forwarding address? You know you owed them money, and you're looking for an out. That's a shame.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 This isn't an issue about the law. It's an issue about doing the right thing. If you cannot see that, than you probably need to spend less time posting thousands of posts here, and more time reflecting on why you see nothing wrong with shirking life's responsibilities. The original poster has two choices: 1) Do the right thing 2) Look for the easy way out.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 You know you owed them money, and you're looking for an out. That's a shame. Way way way Too Much. ========================== But the CA and the Land lords breaking the law is not RITE?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 You are wasting your time trying to explain that it's ok to squirm out of life's responsibilities. No matter how you try to spin it, it's unethical to avoid paying a valid debt. The original poster could have solved the problem easily by calling or visiting the landlord and asking them what was going on. He knew he owed money..he just didn't have the time to bother with it until the landlord started trying to collect. He thought it would just go away. When it didn't, he actually gets upset that the landlord would have the gall to ask for money that's owed to them. The original poster could have simply worked out something with the landlord when they left. Instead, they just dropped the keys off and forgot about it. That's not what a responsible adult does in such a situation. It's the actions of someone who doesn't care about doing the responsible thing. Too bad you cannot see that doing the right thing in life trumps the letter of the law.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 Is the CA and the Landlord breaking the law doing the rite thing???????????????????????????????????????????????/ ??????????????????????????/ ??????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 Instead of suggesting that the poster simply sit down and work out a settlement with the landlord that's agreeable to both of them, you suggest that he stonewall with validation claims and other manuevers. The poster never said that they didn't owe money..it was just a question of how much. That answer could have been obtained by asking the landlord in a calm and adult-like manner. Some people would be suprised at what can be accomplished if they look someone in the eye and tell the truth. Of course, that would involve eating a little humble pie and admitting that a mistake was made from the start.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 When a creditor tries to ramrod you and railroad a person into paying instead of supplying the proof it tells me the creditor is trying to hide something or is attempting to pull a fast one. What's ethical about creditors doing that??????????
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 Ignore it. It's just here trying to charge it's batteries again. It'll go away again soon. And, if you frustrate it, it may eventually step over the line and be gone for good !
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 When you read this highlite the above quote. Good reflection of too muches broghtness LOL
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 Good point ! But... I did say "trying".
Re: Re: Re: Broke lease - claim I owe $4000 There was a forwarding order and no bill, invoice, or other contact was made by the landlord. Just a notice several months later from a CA that is demanding $4000. Well I want to know what for. Maybe the $1000 deposit was enough, maybe it wasn't....and why is the CA pulling multiple inq's on my credit report within 3 weeks after receiving a validation letter?
Would this be the same LL that appears to have violated several laws, and passed his dirty work on to a CA? Is it so unreasonable to ask some person why do I owe this amount? The only way to do that at this point is thru validation. How many people here, when receiving letters from CAs try to contact the original creditor, only to be refused information - simply because no law says they have to give it out? http://www.renters-rights.com/html/deposits.html ROFLMAO!! Maybe you should start chomping on some of that pie for the mistakes you have made here. Once you are called to the carpet for them, you vanish from the thread never to be heard from again.
