Business Credit, The Backdoor Appro

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by WestCap, Nov 25, 2001.

  1. MOVINGONUP

    MOVINGONUP Well-Known Member

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    How much did it cost to Incorporate, don't you also have to pay a yearly tax or fee.
     
  2. creditwork

    creditwork Well-Known Member

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    It cost less than 200 to incorporate. Taxes are based on profit. We pay 19.47% APR on loans and other expenses have continued to eat away at profits, so the company has still not paid any significant taxes.

    www.creditsense.com
     
  3. bigmon

    bigmon Well-Known Member

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    I'm in CA and it cost me $149 to incorporate, but there is a minimum annual tax of $800 whether you make any money or not. Each state is different.
     
  4. creditwork

    creditwork Well-Known Member

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    Did you try incorporating in Nevada or Delaware?
    I believe they offer some good tax advantages for small businesses.

    www.creditsense.com
     
  5. MOVINGONUP

    MOVINGONUP Well-Known Member

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    Did you have a lawyer do it????
     
  6. bigmon

    bigmon Well-Known Member

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    I have to be Inc. in CA.

    You don't need a lawyer. For me it was $149 for a lawyer to do it. I could have saved about $100 doing it myself, but I was too busy. Plus, there was also 1 month of unlimited legal advise that came with the fee.
     
  7. MOVINGONUP

    MOVINGONUP Well-Known Member

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    If you have a Sole Propriotorship and Incorporate it will creditor still judge you business by the life of the propriortorship or will you be considered a new business??
     
  8. bigmon

    bigmon Well-Known Member

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    It depends on the creditor. On most of the application I've seen it ask how long the business has been around and how long it's been incorporated.

    Lenders know that a lot of businesses start of as a sole prop. and then INC. later as they grow.

    Incorporating doesn't change the business it just changes the structure for taxes and liability.
     
  9. Hope

    Hope Well-Known Member

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    We did exactly this. Hubby's biz had been operating since 1986. Last year he incorporated. His creditors (and his customers) see him as the same biz with the same history, only now having taken a dramatic step in maturity and is even less of a risk.

    BTW, DnB sees things the same way and updated his account to show the incorporation and the slightly different name, but with the same credit history.

    Think of it this way. If you get married and change your name, you're the same person and your credit file will only change to reflect your name change and possibly add that of your new spouses (as it did with hubby), but your history, scores, etc. remain the same.
     
  10. MOVINGONUP

    MOVINGONUP Well-Known Member

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    Well that's good to hear, I'm try to quailify for a refi at the moment, but the INCORPORATING sounds good, the tax write-offs are great too!

    I'm in california but I keep hearing NEVADA CORP is the way to go. What state are you in and do you or anybody know about NEVADA corps as opposed to other states???
     
  11. Hope

    Hope Well-Known Member

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    CAUTION!!!! I just 2 days ago received a general alert from our financial advisors that the big benefits in incorporating in Nevada have been laid waste by the recent tax code changes! And that if you're a Nevada Corp you'll want to rethink that by 2005 when things kick in. And if you haven't incorporated your, "don't do it in Nevada".

    "...THE RULES HAVE CHANGED and what you don't know will hurt you! Nevada Corporations are OUT!..."

    Please talk to someone "in the know" before you dive into incorporating as a Nevada Corp.

    P.S. We're a Texas Corp.
     
  12. creditwork

    creditwork Well-Known Member

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    How about Delaware? If you notice a lot of credit card companies are based there.


    www.creditsense.com
     
  13. Hope

    Hope Well-Known Member

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    It didn't say anything about Delware. I know that Delaware corps were all the rage; the Nevada corps were. The alert said something about Wyoming possibly being the new "safe haven", but I don't know specifics because -- since we're a Texas corp (and very comfortable being so, since our business is also based here -- I didn't ask.
     
  14. bigmon

    bigmon Well-Known Member

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    Movingonup,

    If you're in CA like I am you will need a CA corp. for many reasons.

    1. I haven't found a bank in CA that will open an account for you with a Nevada corp.

    2. If you have a Nevada corp. you have tp pay the state of CA additional fees to do business here. In the long run it's more expensive.

    3. Nevada corps. throw a red flag to the feds.

    I have heard many good things about Deleware corps. Look at all the banks for example. You still run the extra cost for the state of CA if you do business here.

    With a CA corp you don't have to pay the $800 minimum tax until the 2nd year. The first year is free.
     
  15. MOVINGONUP

    MOVINGONUP Well-Known Member

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  16. creditwork

    creditwork Well-Known Member

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    I was just mentioning those other states, we are New Jersey based and like it very much. We did not use a lawyer, we used a CPA for the first years return and as an advisor in the way to setup the company (LLC). It has been great.

    www.creditsense.com
     
  17. bigmon

    bigmon Well-Known Member

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    Movingonup,

    The remainder of the year you incorporate is free of the $800 tax.
    Let's say you start in June 03...you pay the tax in April 04 for the year 2004.

    If you start in Nov 03 you still pay the tax for 04 in April 2004. This info is on the Franchise Tax Board website. I suggest double checking before you do anything.

    You don't get a whole year free...just the remainder.

    Here is the website of the firm I used. I've been pleased with them and haven't found anyone cheaper. You can call them toll free to ask questions before you apply. They also have an annual retainer for $139 if you want ongoing legal advice. With me they offered it for $89 if you sign up when you do your corp. .When I got my corp. they gave 30 days for free to try it. Not sure if they still do.

    Amerilawyer.com
     
  18. MOVINGONUP

    MOVINGONUP Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, that is very helpful
     
  19. MOVINGONUP

    MOVINGONUP Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Business Credit, Th

    Thanks, that is very helpful
     
  20. bigmon

    bigmon Well-Known Member

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    Those that got bus. credit with Staples, Home Depot,
    etc.

    I just got my DNB number and was noticing the applications on Staples, etc. seem to recommend if the bus. is less than 2 years or doesn't have a lot of sales they want a PG.

    I know several of you said you did it without a PG. Just wondering what you put on the applications.
     

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