Busting a VISA merchant

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Hope, Mar 21, 2002.

  1. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    CREDIT-CARD SIGNATURE

    Usually all the ID Needed



    When you pay for merchandise with a Visa card, MasterCard, or American Express any store that accepts these cards should accept yours too, no questions asked. It's
    part of the deal that merchants agree to when they become participating members. They must check your signature and the card - electronically or by telephone - to be
    sure it's valid. Once the answer comes up yes, they can to ahead and charge. They can't ask you for any further identification - not a license plate number,
    Social Security number, proof of address, phone number, or picture ID.

    Your personal ID isn't needed because Visa, MasterCard, and American Express all guarantee payment on cards that have been properly checked. If the issuer
    mistakenly authorizes a sale on a bad card, it should make good. MasterCard says that merchants receive instant settlement.

    Unfortunately, not all merchants play by the rules. Some, apparently, haven't read them.

    In one case, a MasterCard was used to purchase gas. Both the clerk and the manager insisted on taking the man's license plate number, even though he told them it
    wasn't necessary. When the man wrote to the MasterCard complaining about the incident, he got a letter back suggesting that the merchant was within his rights. "It is
    the merchant's choice to verify or not verify the card holder." the executive specialist wrote.

    WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, says a spokesman for MasterCard headquarters in New York. The contract that MasterCard merchants sign specifically
    prevents them from asking for personal ID. The card holder's signature on the back of the card is the only ID necessary - even if the merchant has some reason to
    be suspicious. "Basically, this clerk was hassling this card holder," the representative said.

    You can be asked for ID only if you proffer a card that isn't signed on the back. Then the merchant can ask for identification and require you to sign the card
    immediately.

    A merchant can ask for your address when you order by telephone. There it's used to authorize the card, absent a signature.

    What You Can Do

    MasterCard wants to hear about merchants who break their rules. Send the name and address and an account of what happened to MasterCard International, c/o
    Radio City Station, P. O. Box 1288, New York, NY 10101. The merchant's bank will get a stiff letter, ordering it to investigate and bring the offending store into
    line - or pay a $2,000 fine.

    Visa enforces the same rules as MasterCard. "When we hear about a violation, we ask the bank that signed the merchant to get together with the merchant and see
    that the practice is stopped," Visa representative states. To report a merchant, send a letter to the bank that issued your Visa card.

    American Express also prohibits merchants from asking for IDs. "All a merchant is supposed to do is take an imprint, make sure the signature matches and swipe the
    card through the terminal, to get authorization." American Express spokesperson said.

    Another Rule Ignored - Must Purchase so Much to use Card

    Another rule that merchants often ignore: They don't let you use a credit card unless your purchases exceed a certain minimum, like $25. That, too, is prohibited. A
    store may ignore you when you protest - but now you've got their number. You can report them and let their banks force them back into line. But American Express
    does allow the store to set a minimum purchase, as long as the same minimum extends to other cards the merchant takes. (If the store also takes MasterCard and Visa,
    there's effectively no minimum for anyone.)





    CREDIT INFORMATION

    The Indiana Department of Financial Institutions, Division of Consumer Credit regulates Indiana consumer credit laws and has credit related information available:


    Call our toll-free number or write to the address below for a copy of any of our brochures or for further consumer credit information.

    DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS
    Consumer Credit Division
    402 West Washington Street, Room W066
    Indianapolis, Indiana 46204
    317-232-3955
    Toll Free in Indiana 1-800-382-4880

    http://www.dfi.state.in.us/uccc/credit_card_ID.htm

    THAT WILL BE 2 F.I.C.O. POINTS FOR MY RESEARCH...IT'S BASED ON FACT...EVEN IF IT IS NOT "OFFICIALLY" FROM VISA/MC
     
  2. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    I could "INTER-OFFICE" call the store if you gave me the info off the top of the receipt...

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  3. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    ...OR MAYBE NOT...it might be a "LOCAL" thing OK'D by the DM or REGIONAL VP...

    I "might" be stepping on some toes???

    You can still write VISA/MC...

    Keep a copy of your letter in your wallet...and pass them around to your friends and co-workers...
     
  4. Ozzyburger

    Ozzyburger Well-Known Member

    George! You are a search engine guru!!! Thank you. I'm running a little low on FICO points right now...do you take credit?? <g>

    I just penned my letter and will be sending it shortly. Here is another site I found regarding this. This has a direct quote from Visa and MC regarding this issue.

    http://members.aol.com/MicksLodge/creditcard.html

    Thanks again, George! =-)

    Ozzy.
     
  5. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    You get a limit increase for me on my MBNA and we will call it even...
    ...or get TARGET VISA to give me 9.90%...

    :)
     
  6. ng

    ng Well-Known Member

    Yes he would be breaking the rules!


    I win!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. Ozzyburger

    Ozzyburger Well-Known Member

    George, I can't work miracles!!!! <G>
    2 FICO points it is then. =-)

    Ozzy.
     
  8. Maer

    Maer Well-Known Member

    Thanks George!!!
    ST# 1899
    OP# 00002960

    I take it you work for Walmart??


    Ooops, I wrote this prior to reading your next post. Sorry.
    If I Planetfeedback them a complaint do you think they will care?????
     
  9. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    WAL*MART does not respond to 3rd party letters...(PFB)...I can't say they ignore them...they just don't respond (SO MANY PEOPLE SAY, WHO RESPOND ON PFB)
     
  10. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    WAL*MART
    702 SW 8TH ST
    BENTONVILLE AR 72716-6299
     
  11. ng

    ng Well-Known Member

    Our Wal-Mart is notorious for discontinuing things and I have been told by the employees to call a 1-800 number direct to Bentonville

    Wal-Mart has excellent customer service satisfaction
     
  12. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    1-800-WAL-MART
     
  13. ng

    ng Well-Known Member

    Thanks George

    I thought so (but hated to post not knowing for sure).
     
  14. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    FOR ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW??!?!?!?!!?
    THIS PERSON BASICALLY WANTS UNSIGNED CARDS FOR EVERYBODY AND THEN THE STORE COULD DEMAND EVERYBODY'S ID!!!


    I'LL PASS!!!

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    Credit Card companies and the SEE ID policy...or lack thereof....



    To: MBNA

    I'm writing to alert you to a problem I've had with a credit card issued by you. My problem concerns overall
    experience. I hope by bringing this to your attention, the problem will be addressed. This incident has made
    me extremely upset.

    Here's what happened: The back of my credit card says, "Not valid unless signed." So, if I choose to write,
    "SEE ID" instead of signing the credit card, to FURTHER PROTECT MYSELF AND THE COMPANY, there
    are vendors who have standing NOT to accept my card.

    Here's what I want you to do: Remove that verbage and replace it with something that allows me to do
    either, sign the card, or write SEE ID.


    In the future, I probably will do business with you again. And I might recommend you to others.

    I appreciate your taking the time to listen to my complaint. I hope it can be addressed.

    From:
    Jason D.
    Marietta, GA
     
  15. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    Look at the (MBNA) PFB reply!!!

    :)
     
  16. Ozzyburger

    Ozzyburger Well-Known Member

    George.. how do I see their reply? All I can find is the original letter.

    Ozzy.
     
  17. mindcrime2

    mindcrime2 Well-Known Member

  18. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    A REPLY TO THE LETTER AT THE BOTTOM...not MBNA'S reply...
     
  19. Ozzyburger

    Ozzyburger Well-Known Member

    Oh! okay.. I saw that... I thought MBNA actually replied!

    Ozzy.
     
  20. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    A "COMMENT"~~~change your name to "SEE ID"

    I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     

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