CA wants to settle remaining balance of charge off

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Weapon X, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. Weapon X

    Weapon X Active Member

    and is willing to send a letter that says "Paid in Full" on all three credit reports.

    Long story short. I settled with a CA that Mitsubishi sent after me a couple years ago. Unfortunately, I learned about all this credit stuff afterwards. I guess the CA didn't report that the debt was settled to Mitsu, so Mitsu is sending other CAs after me for the remaining balance of about $2,000.

    This latest company is willing to send me a letter stating that if I pay off the remaining 2K, they will update all trade lines to reflect "Paid in Full", NOT "Settled in Full."

    Should I just pay it or request a letter stating the same from Mitsubishi since they still control the tradeline?

    Thanks.
     
  2. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    It is unlikely there is any difference in the effect on your scores between having a collection account marked "paid in full" vs. "settled in full".

    What you are saying is that the earlier CA promised to settle the account for less than full payment, used deception to collect on the debt, and breached their agreement with you. What did you get when you made the earlier payment to indicate that you had settled? How did the earlier CA mark their TL after you settled?

    When did this originaly go delinquent?
     
  3. Weapon X

    Weapon X Active Member

    I have the letter from the original CA stating that the debt is "Settled in Full" and was reported as such to Mitsu. It looks like they didn't notify Mitsu about the settled part, just the dollar amount paid. I settled for about 2K less than the remaining debt and that remaining debt (2K) is still on my credit reports as "Charge-Off," not "Settled in Full" with a zero balance.
     
  4. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    With your letter, you should be able to force both correction of the original charge-off to settled in full, since it is being reported in error, and make the new CA go away.

    You might also have a breach of contract with the original CA, since they failed to treat it as settled as per your agreement. How long ago was your settlement with the first CA?

    Who is currently reporting the charge-off account? Mitsubishi, or the first CA? Your last CA didn't do what they said they would. Do you think this one will do any better if you throw $2K at them that you don't owe?
     
  5. Weapon X

    Weapon X Active Member

    The tradeline is still mitsubishi. All of the CAs have been acting on behalf of mitsubishi, so that's the only tradeline on there.
     
  6. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    Have you disputed the Mitsubishi TL on your CR with the CRA? If so, did they verify it?
     
  7. Weapon X

    Weapon X Active Member

    Yeah, I've disputed a couple times over the past few years and they always verify it to the CRA. :(

    Should I just mail (certified) the payoff letter to this new CA?
     
  8. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    You and they agreed to settle in full. They breached that agreement, continue to report and verify erroneously, and represent the debt as not settled in full.

    Run this by an attorney with experience with FDCPA and FCRA law. Instead of paying money you don't owe, maybe he can negotiate payment for damages, removal of the erroneous TL, with your attorney's fees covered by them, and some assurance that it won't come back again.
    See: www.naca.net
     
  9. Weapon X

    Weapon X Active Member

    Yeah, but this is a different CA from the one I settled with. So I don't know if I need to contact the CA that didn't report it, or fix this through the new CA that I'm in contact with now. This is so aggravating. My credit score tanked 100 points because I lost my damn job a few years ago. :( I just want this TL removed.
     
  10. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    That is why at this point you should contact an attorney.

    The first CA breached your agreement, and/or Mitsubishi failed to update, and "verified" their error. That is where their liability began, but if you let time pass, they are off the hook and you are back to square one.

    You can mess around chasing CAs as this is passed from CA to CA, or you can contact an attorney and go after the first CA, the second CA, and Mitsubishi, and finish the matter. You have a letter from the first CA, so they will probably want to just cut their losses. You might get damages, and you might get attorney's fees, and/or you might settle for less damages but removing the TL, but either way, your outcome is likely better than paying more money you don't owe.

    The sooner you deal with it, the sooner you stop the circus. There are no brownie points for patience.
     
  11. Weapon X

    Weapon X Active Member

    Damnit. I just checked Transunion and Experian reports. Mitsubishi entered ANOTHER tradeline in regards to this. They show the original one as closed and the new one as transferred to another division of mitsubishi with a NEW charge off date. WTF?! What can I do?
     
  12. royalnbn

    royalnbn Well-Known Member

    Weapon X. Relax. Unlock. Unload. Take a deep breathe. Exhale. Seek out an attorney with a free consultation. They do exist. Take your paperwork. Primarily the state from the CA that states settled in full. Why? Because that CA is on the hook for the account. Not you. That CA entered into an agreement with you pertaining to the debt. You settled with that CA. Let an attorney go after them for the account and whatever damages this is causing you.

    Pilots fly. Racers drive. Attorneys sue. Find you one and let him/her do their thing. This breach of contract may result in the complete removal of this account from your credit history and put a few extra dollars in your pocket.

    Seek an attorney, like ONTRACK has advised.
     
  13. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    "They show the original one as closed and the new one as transferred to another division of mitsubishi with a NEW charge off date."
    Is the new charge-off date more recent than the original one? Have you called the CRA showing that report and asked them when that TL will fall off?
     
  14. jtc79

    jtc79 Well-Known Member

    tell them you will pay in full only if they delete all tl. If they refuse tell them you will pay nothing, this seems to work for me.
     
  15. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    The problem with making another deal with them and paying more money, is that they didn't keep the last deal.

    You settled and paid the debt, it should have showed as settled in full, yet they did not follow thru with their side, and they are still attempting collection of a balance you do not owe based on your settlement.

    You already have an agreement you can choose to hold them to.

    You now have the "opportunity" to toss that agreement out, pay them more money, and turn the reporting into a NEW "paid in full" collection account, instead of an OLD settled in full account. Assuming you can even trust them to do it. You may still have to try to hold them to a new agreement.

    And if they failed to honor your original agreement, how did they treat your payment? As resetting the SOL, and continuing to accumulate interest? May open another can of worms.

    I don't see that you would be any better off, probably worse, and if you have to hold them to an agreement, better it be the original one. Your $2000 might even be better spent on an attorney, even assuming you couldn't find one willing to take this on contingency, and assuming they didn't simply cave, as they probably would since you have your settlement letter (and presumably some proof of payment).
     
  16. Weapon X

    Weapon X Active Member

    I spoke to a lawyer today. I got his name from www.naca.com (thanks ontrack) and he told me to validate with the CRAs one more time and if Mitsubishi validates the debt again, we'll sue.
     

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