California to issue I.O.U.s instead of tax refund checks???

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by cap1sucks, Jan 17, 2009.

  1. cap1sucks

    cap1sucks Well-Known Member

    The Near Bankrupt State Wants to Give You an IOU. Try Paying Your Mortgage or Tuition with It. The 2009 income tax season is slowly revving up, and soon California taxpayers are going to file their returns with the Franchise Tax Board. Some hope to receive a tax refund checkto use for a bigger purchase, to pay off some credit cards, or to at least make some headway and get back on track with the overload of monthly bills.

    However, if Arnold Schwarzenegger and his band of merry men cannot work out the budget, there is a good chance that the State of California will be paying income tax refunds with IOU slips instead of checks.

    California democrats presented the governor with an unworkable budget package containing a number of illegal tax hikes -- referred to as "fees" and "surcharges" - that sought to get around voter determined (Proposition 13) two thirds majority vote requirements for any tax increases.

    At issue was, among other things, a Democrat proposed gas tax hike of $0.13 per gallon! Squaring this with a Time magazine reported an estimated jump of California's unemployment rate to 8.5% by the end of 2009, the public outcry was loud and fierce. Lawsuits by taxpayer advocates and a flurry of emails and calls to the gubernatorial office caused Governor Schwarzenegger to veto the budget, leaving California in its continued fiscal mess.

    The Los Angeles Times reports that the latest brainstorm out of Sacramento is to begin issuing IOU slips instead of California income tax refunds beginning February 1st. Moreover, if you are student relying on a CAL grant for your tuition payment, it is time to hope and pray that the admissions office will accept your vowels instead of a check for your student fees. Student grants are also not going to be funded come February.

    California is running out of money, and will officially be in the red come the end of January. Republicans are digging in their heels and have proclaimed that they will not accept any budget with tax increases. Democrats have been just as adamant that they refuse to even consider a budget if it contains any spending cuts and no significant tax hikes.
     
  2. greg1045

    greg1045 Well-Known Member

    So what is to prevent folks who owe taxes doing the same - hey Arnold - I'll Owe You. You'll get it when MY finances allow me to pay back taxes.
     
  3. apexcrsrv

    apexcrsrv Well-Known Member

    The difference . . . liens, judgments, etc., for taxpayers as opposed to nothing for govn't.
     
  4. jjgross

    jjgross Well-Known Member

    It's time to toss the rascals.Viva taxpayers revolt.Start grabbing state prperty until you get whats owed you.Toss the tea in the ocean.Enough is enough.

    These are just thoughts not a call to action.
     
  5. jjgross

    jjgross Well-Known Member

    Now why don't they cut there wages 30% and state employees 20%.I've lived there for 40 years they can get by.Their asking the taxpayer's to suck it up,now's the time for them to say to them here's what were doing to help out.Yea sure oh it was just a dream.
     
  6. cap1sucks

    cap1sucks Well-Known Member

    It isn't just California that is going broke. All 50 states are in big trouble. On top of that more than 45 major cities are broke as well. They will all end up having to cut their expenses and that means more layoffs of employees adding to the ballooning unemployment problem. We will soon see double digit unemployment. What we are looking at is almost unimaginable.
     
  7. greg1045

    greg1045 Well-Known Member

    Due to the California budget crisis non-violent criminals now sitting in jails and prisons will be released early without the usual probation times attached. Car thieves, bad check writers, white collar criminals. This method will save the Dept. of Corrections MILLIONS.
     
  8. cap1sucks

    cap1sucks Well-Known Member

    Some states make their criminals pay for their incarceration. That may seem like the ideal solution on the surface of it but most criminals are dead broke when they go into prison and have to get help from their families while in prison. Of course, the costs are delayed until they get out and go to work. Sounds like a great lan but how is that going to work out in the face of double digit unemployment? Like so many other grand schemes of government, it won't.
     
  9. Hedwig

    Hedwig Well-Known Member

    We need to do something to break the cycle of spend, spend, spend, and the cycle of the government supporting everyone.

    Sometimes it takes a crisis to effect a long-needed change. Maybe personal responsibility will again become the norm.
     
  10. ccbob

    ccbob Well-Known Member

    We can always dream :)
     
  11. cap1sucks

    cap1sucks Well-Known Member

    If government didn't promise to support or otherwise take care of everyone then the politicians would have no platform upon which to get elected. We aren't likely to see responsible government in our lifetimes if ever.
    Before personal responsibility can become the norm people must become empowered to make it happen. That empowerment can only come when people have the means with which to accomplish it. That means everyone must have an income sufficient to meet their essential needs and at least some of their desires. It means that instead of inventing new social programs or expanding old ones government must work on developing a positive business environment.

    More jobs at better pay, not social programs that only drain the economy.
     
  12. ccbob

    ccbob Well-Known Member

    RE: Social and personal responsibility...
    I agree that personal empowerment is the key to future social success. However that runs contrary to the personal power goals of elected officials. If we are all personally empowered and have the means to take care of ourselves, what will they be able to promise us? We had a lot of that sense of personal power and hope in the 50s and 60s so the politicians had to invent or amplify the threats to our well being. Threats that only they have can resolve (but never seem to quite finish it). E.g. Vietnam (communists), Drugs, Terrorists, there'll always be a boogy-man because the people in power need them.
     

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