Cancellation Of Debt 1099 insolvent

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Tim T, Dec 24, 2001.

  1. Tim T

    Tim T Member

    Has anyone ever had to prove insolvency to the IRS?I received a notice from the IRS that I owe back taxes on a cancellation of debt from three years ago.The debt is not even mine and I never received the 1099,nevertheless they say I owe it.I'm not sure what to do.It says that I don't have to pay if I can prove I was insolvent.How can one prove this from several years ago?Send them a copy of a credit report?Should I tell them the debt was never mine to begin with?(which it isnt) then that might prompt them to go on a fishing expedition through my past.Any help is greatly appreciated.




    Tim
     
  2. Tuit

    Tuit Well-Known Member

    Sorry I don't really have an answer for you right now Tim, but in my searches I remember reading something on this and it seemed the guys CPA had told him it only effects you if you actually paid a lesser amount on the debt. If I find it I'll post it here for you.
    Tuit
     
  3. keepmine

    keepmine Well-Known Member

    Tim,

    The easy way is to say it's not yours {if it isn't}.
    To prove insolvency, you have to show a negative net worth. That takes into account the value of any retirement accounts, equity in a home, car, etc. You're gonna be digging for records and crunching some numbers if you go that route.
     
  4. sam

    sam Well-Known Member

    Basically it works like this:

    Since the 1099 is being assessed now, you have 10 years SOL to pay it from the date of assessment (now?).

    Take all of your equity(car/house/property). They can take that equity.

    Then if thats nothing (no equity). They take your income, and calculate based on numbers they decide how much you can spend each month.

    The "Anything left over" X 10 years, is theirs. If its less than that amount they can't collect it.

    You need an IRS attorney to handle an offer in compromise or payment plan if the sum is a large amount and they deem the debt is yours.
     
  5. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING!!!

    THEY HAVE TO PROVE THE DEBT IS YOURS!!!

    YOUR NAME, PHONE, ADDRESS, IN A COMPUTER IS NOT PROOF!!!
     
  6. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    Why should anyone pay anything for something they don't owe????
     
  7. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    Tim T: I have your name in my computer...YOU OWE ME $50.00...I have NO paperwork to prove it...just send me the $50.00 ok?
     
  8. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    George I have your name on an invoice for 100 dollars when Tim sends you the $50.oo please add 50 bucks to it and send it all to me!
     
  9. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    But you are in my computer for $800.00!!!
    I'll take off the $100.00 off your bill...
     
  10. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    Can you validate that or are you better a violation like the CAs are?
     
  11. Tim T

    Tim T Member

    This is a notice from the IRS,not a collection agency.The IRS is saying it is tax owed on a cancelled debt from 1998 when the debt was cancelled so I can't just send a validation to the government I'm sure they could care less.



    Tim
     
  12. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    O where O where is Bill B?
     
  13. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    THEY HAVE TO PROVE IT!!!
     
  14. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    IRS does not have to prove anything. They can slap a lien on you with no docs, no nothing. There is no due process, unless you know their rules -ex-IRS agents and tax attorneys.

    Your best bet is first, to go down there and get someone you can talk to face to face. If they have to come looking for you, you will be in trouble. Explain the exact situation, take any documentation you have from that year - credit reports, etc. and try to talk to them. I got someone who was very nice and helpful, maybe you will too.

    If not, depending on the amount (penalties and interest really add up), get yourself some legal help.
     
  15. Tim T

    Tim T Member

    Thanks Lizard and Breeze,that is sorta my plan to visit an office but want to be prepared,they (IRS) have been adding interest and penalties for 3 years now,without ever telling me.Is there a way to get an old credit report from 3 years ago? Because this has never been on my report (as far as I know) and no one has ever tried to collect on it.



    Tim
     
  16. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    The only way to get an old credit report is if you have one. CRA's don't keep old info.
     
  17. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    Since when is he responsible for a debt that wasn't his? & Why should he pay someone elses Taxes?
     
  18. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    So, what do you suggest he should do, lb? Just refuse?
     
  19. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    I'm Gonna send the IRS A 1099 on you.
    When the tax man comes a knockin on your door are you gonna meet him with your check book?
     
  20. Tuit

    Tuit Well-Known Member

    According to the article I read, reporting uncollected debt to IRS on form 1099 is not acceptable unless they are a secured creditor who recovered their security and disposed of it for less than what is owed. Also If I understood the article right, it goes on to say that, what is reported on the 1099 is the difference of the recovery. (If they sold the debt they must deduct what they were paid from the amount reported on the 1099???)

    Not that this is much help to you Tim T but I thought it might answer some questions. Before I actually went to the IRS I would first talk to my CPA because if nothing else he will guide you on how to approach the IRS (might even be willing to go with you) or consult with a tax attorney. If nothing else they can guide you on what not to say or admit to an IRS agent when you go down there.

    I'm just a big ole chicken, if it were me having to go down to the IRS I would want to have some idea of what they could throw at me.

    Read article: www.creditworthy.com/3jm/articles/cw122097.htm
    Tuit
     

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