Case Study in Vodoo FICOnomics

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by bobcat2414, Feb 4, 2002.

  1. bobcat2414

    bobcat2414 Active Member

    Ok I received my latest TU dispute results. Started with a 669. I disputed 5 items 2 were deleted they were a charge card with some late pays and a old closed and transferred mortage with some serious late pays. All the late pays were atleast two years old. Results new TU score 663!!! I have had no new inquires or significant changes to my balances just these two deletions and pooof 6 points gone??

    Factors #1 Months since most recent serious delinquency is too short. I have had two 30day lates in the last 48 months. Can someone define SERIOUS DELINQUENCY for me.

    Factor #2 Total balance of personal finance accounts is too high. I'll give them this the ONE closed account that I still have a balance on is at the limit.

    Factor #3 To mamy active accounts with a balance. WTF I have a car note a mortage and the one closed cc with a balance? Somebody please help!

    Factor #4 To few bankcard account. This makes me want to scream.

    OK skip forward a few minutes I decide to go to eloan and check my score there. 625 #1 reason for this low score is: In the past 2 years you have missed 3 consecutive payments 45 times. How can this be?? I am looking at my brand new TU report which is what I believe eloan pulls and nothing remotely close to this is listed. Somebody please help!


    Thanks


    Bob
     
  2. DaveLV

    DaveLV Well-Known Member

    Eloan pulled Experian for me. I don't know if they've changed anything since then.
     
  3. bobcat2414

    bobcat2414 Active Member

    Thanks Dave, Experian is even cleaner than TU. How can someone miss 3 consecutive payment 45 times in two years? I only have a few accounts and the math just does not work?
     
  4. cnswift

    cnswift Well-Known Member

    I got "Too many inquiries" as a reason code on my Equifax score once. I hadn't had an inquiry in two years.

    Credit Expert tells me the balance on my installment loans opened in the past 12 months is too high. Of course, I don't have any installment loans opened in the past 12 months.

    TU informs me my score is lower because I have too few mortgage accounts. That's great, ya know, and I'd get one if not for that fact that my score is too low because I have too few mortgage accounts.

    Or, as George would say: RANDOM SCORECODE GENERATOR.

    --
    cnswift
     
  5. Calmest_LA

    Calmest_LA Well-Known Member

    How about a Class Action Suit against FICO? I'll be the first to sign-up!


    Calmest_LA
     
  6. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    CLASS ACTION LAW SUITS RESULT IN YOU GETTING LIKE $0.30 TO AS HIGH AS $12.00 AFTER 1-3 YEARS...

    But I'm all for PUTTING THEM OUT OF BUSINESS.
     
  7. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    Class actions are designed to punish them, not to reimburse you. Actually they get off easy financially, compared to the damage they've done, but the bad PR is fantastic!!
     
  8. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    [not to reimburse you]...THEIR BUSINESS COST ME EXTRA MONEY..
     
  9. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    Then sue them yourself!
     
  10. bobcat2414

    bobcat2414 Active Member

    This is very long but it is actual testimony from Fair Issac and the CRA's about insurance scores but a lot of it is about credit scores. They start hammering the Fair Issac rep on about page 50 of the first day.


    www.gainsurance.org/CONSUMER/CreditScoringHearings.asp
     
  11. bobcat2414

    bobcat2414 Active Member

    Has anybody ever had this as a eloan excuse before?

    In the past 2 years you have missed 3 consecutive payments 45 times.


    I would like to know if I am missing something.
     
  12. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    Wow!! What calendar are they using?

    I think I would send a copy of whatever it is you have, and ask them that exact question.
     
  13. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    Great link! Thanks.

     
  14. Marie

    Marie Well-Known Member

    It's long but good. I fell asleep last night reading it :)

    Items in dispute don't count towards the score. They're not calculated. Of course, I've seen Equifax not mark them "in dispute"...

    The other interesting point and it's one I've asked Fair Isaac before is whether the fact of asking for a reinvestigation will trigger the item as being more recent. I got a "could" from the rep... but this report clearly states that if there's no date of last activity then the reinvestigation would make it appear more recent of a delinquency.

    the easy way to check: you have a 38 code (serious delinquency)... that's there.

    but if you also see a 61 or anything with time since serious delinquency too recent... it's been reaged by the bureau reinvestigation if the delinquency didn't have that time issue before the investigation.

    My guess on the recency issue: 12-24 mos and after 24 it really doesn't affect the score that much.
     
  15. bobcat2414

    bobcat2414 Active Member

    Marie I had to make myself go to bed also. It's a good read.
     
  16. bc

    bc Well-Known Member

    This is very long but it is actual testimony from Fair Issac and the CRA's about insurance scores but a lot of it is about credit scores.

    My favorite lines (so far) from the testimony (Ms. Dietrichs is from Fair,Isaac):

    MR. MANDERS: I guess you nailed it right on the head, you know how it works.
    MS. DIETRICHS: Uh-huh.
    MR. MANDERS: You know how it works; no one else
    knows how it works. You're not worried, and everybody else is worried.
     
  17. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    Anybody able to download it? I tried and couldn't.
     
  18. Rina

    Rina Well-Known Member

    Breeze,

    I think you need Acrobat Reader 4.0
     
  19. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    Thanks Rina, I have Acrobat 4.0. I can read it, but I wanted to save it and read it offline. Usually I right click and save with Acrobat files - the website wouldn't let me do that. Then I tried to save it from within acrobat - the option to save wasn't there. ???
     
  20. marci

    marci Well-Known Member

    I can read but not save with Acrobat (reader) version 5.


    Will the complete Acrobat program (read+write) allow you to save it?
     

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