ChoicePoint Ant-Terrorist ID Card

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by enigma, Oct 26, 2003.

  1. enigma

    enigma Well-Known Member

    From a newsgroup I monitor:


    The New York Times published an article today about a new company, Verified
    Identity Card Inc., which will: "offer customers an electronic card
    containing data showing that they are not on terrorism watch lists and do
    not have certain felony convictions on their records." Stephen Brill heads
    up the new venture, with data aggregator ChoicePoint providing the data
    supporting this effort.

    The terrorist list that Brill talks about in the article is the SDN, a
    publicly available list of people from the U.S. government. ( See the
    "Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons" list at Dept of the
    Treasury. http://www.treas.gov/offices/eotffc/ofac/sdn/) So, I need a card
    to prove I'm not on the SDN? This is not the same as TSA's watchlist, and
    folks shouldn't be fooled into thinking these "terrorist lists" are one and
    the same thing.

    I know the Privacy Act has its problems, but at least you can FOIA
    documents under its mantle and see what's going on with the contracts, etc.

    --Pam Dixon


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    Venture to Offer ID Card for Use at Security Checks
    By JOHN SCHWARTZ

    Published: October 23, 2003

    Americans hate to wait. But will they pay - and submit to security
    screenings and even high-technology fingerprinting - to avoid the long
    lines snaking behind checkpoints in airports, office buildings and sports
    arenas?

    Steven Brill is betting that the answer is yes. Mr. Brill, a journalist and
    entrepreneur, will announce today a new company, Verified Identity Card
    Inc., which will offer customers an electronic card containing data showing
    that they are not on terrorism watch lists and do not have certain felony
    convictions on their records.

    If businesses, airports and government agencies sign on to the plan and put
    Verified's card readers at security checkpoints, cardholders would be able
    to zip through, avoiding the most thorough searches.

    Mr. Brill, who created CourtTV and The American Lawyer and Brill's Content
    magazines, joins a wave of companies hoping to fill a need and make a
    profit as government agencies and businesses scramble to shore up defenses
    against terrorism.

    The card, he said, could serve as a more palatable alternative to a
    government-mandated national ID card, which is opposed by privacy advocates
    and the Bush administration.

    Although the idea of a voluntary identity verification network is not new,
    Mr. Brill's is the highest-profile effort to bring about such a system. He
    has enlisted the Civitas Group as an investor. Civitas is a Washington
    company headed by Michael J. Hershman, a security consultant. Its
    co-chairmen are Samuel R. Berger, national security adviser in the Clinton
    administration, and Charles Black, a former senior adviser to President
    Ronald Reagan and the first President George Bush.

    Other partners include Lehman Brothers; TransCore, the company that created
    the E-ZPass electronic toll system; and ChoicePoint, a Georgia company that
    will screen the customers.

    Mr. Brill declined to discuss how much money he had raised or how much the
    start-up of the company would cost.

    He said that customer data would not be sold or shared with other
    companies, and the system could not be used to track customer movements
    from checkpoint to checkpoint. He did say, however, that the company would
    probably alert law enforcement officials about an applicant whose name
    appears on a terrorist watch list.

    He also said he planned to seek an independent ombudsman appointed by a
    privacy rights organization to monitor the company's privacy practices.

    Those promises do not satisfy Marc Rotenberg, who heads the Electronic
    Privacy Information Center in Washington. "I don't think it will
    necessarily come as an assurance to most Americans that a Big Brother card
    is being minted in the private sector and not in the government," he said.

    He said that the system was probably unworkable. In any case, he said, it
    would have to be developed and deployed in close cooperation with the
    government, and would thus end up sharing many characteristics with the
    unpopular national ID card. "If it walks like a national ID card and quacks
    like a national ID card, it's a national ID card."

    Matt Blaze, a cryptography and security expert at AT&T Labs-Research,
    warned that a central database could become an attractive target for
    subversion. "The card has to be almost perfect or it becomes worse than
    useless, because it provides a single point of failure for multiple
    security systems," he said.

    Lawrence A. Ponemon, a privacy consultant based in Tucson, said that
    managing privacy while providing accurate identification raises remarkably
    complex issues. A flawed system could, for example, unfairly bar people who
    should have been approved. Still, Mr. Ponemon said he was glad to see the
    private sector tackle the problem.

    Mr. Brill said that he got the inspiration for the company while working on
    his book, "After: How America Confronted the September 12th Era." He said
    that as he worked on the book and the security issues it dealt with, "it
    just sort of hit me over the head that somebody ought to do this."

    The cards will be linked to their owners through finger- and thumb-print
    scans at security turnstiles. The network could be at demonstration sites
    in the first half of next year, the company said. The enrollment cost would
    be $30 to $50 a person, with a fee of a few dollars each month to maintain
    the cardholder's information. Businesses, the company said, could buy the
    cards to improve efficiency at their own checkpoints and to give their
    employees the benefits of the broader network.

    The biggest challenge, Mr. Brill said, was not the technology, which is
    already fully developed for other purposes, but building the network of
    companies that will recognize the card. They would have to install card
    readers at building entrances or add the technology to existing turnstiles.

    While some experts like Mr. Ponemon say that Americans are unlikely to pay
    for the promise of added security and convenience, Mr. Hershman said he
    takes a longer view. People might change their minds if another tragedy
    occurs and tighter security measures create even longer lines, he said.

    "The problem, likely, is going to get worse before it gets better."
     
  2. enigma

    enigma Well-Known Member

    Shameless bump for the night shift.
     
  3. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    MORE INCONVENIENCE FOR "LAW ABIDING CITIZENS"
     
  4. kit

    kit Well-Known Member

    "let me ze ya paypuz" Scary.
     
  5. Flyingifr

    Flyingifr Well-Known Member

    Great.... now there's a card that guarantees I'm not Osama bin Laden. What next - one that guarantees I'm not Mickey Mouse either?
     
  6. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    WWII GERMANY...was nothing like what is going to happen "IF" this gets going...

    I ALREADY HAVE TO ASK FOR ID FOR MONEY GRAM TRANSFERS AND MONEY ORDERS PAID WITH CASH!!!!!!!

    ID FOR CASH TRANSACTIONS??????

    SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE!!!
     
  7. cma

    cma Well-Known Member

    So when are they going to provide DNA sampling and retina scans?

    Let's take it to another level and add disease documentation:

    "Before I can go out with you, I need to see your card..."

    It's only a matter of time before someone creates a copy of the card and sells them. Just another forging opportunity while the rest of us law-abiding citizens reap the benefits of long lines, privacy issues, and ever-increasing scrutinization.
     
  8. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    ALL THIS STUFF WOULD BE DONE WITH-OUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE!!!

    IN WWII AT-LEAST THEY FACED A REAL PERSON WHEN THEY WERE ASKED FOR PAPERS!!!

    They could access your bank accounts and credit reports and credit card
    accounts WITH-OUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE...AND THEY WOULD NOT (AND COULD NOT) EVER NOTIFY YOU IT HAPPENED!!!
     
  9. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    WWII GERMANY GESTAPO and the SS were nothing compared to what these people who want this ID CARD could get!!!

    You afraid of the IRS???

    These people would scare the IRS!!!
     
  10. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    JUST FOUND THIS...

    http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1121-03.htm

    Pardon me if I donâ??t go ga-ga over a federal agency that has been given unlimited powers to spy on Americans, trample all over the First and Fourth Amendments, ignore the privacy of anyone it chooses and violate the rights of every man, woman and child who used to live in the Land of the Free.

    ...

    Under the new law, an agent of the Department of Homeland Security can walk into your bank, flash a badge and demand to see your checking and saving account records. No court order. All they need is the â??presumption of guilt.â? They can stop you in your car without cause and search it and you. They can hold you in jail for 30 days or more without filing any charges or allowing you to make any phone calls.
     
  11. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    I FOUND THIS REAL SCARRY STUFF AFTER I TYPED ALL THE OTHER STUFF...(GOOGLE)
     

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