*****Credit and Debit Card Blocking********

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by georgiaboy, Sep 27, 2003.

  1. georgiaboy

    georgiaboy Well-Known Member

    I posted this article at CB a week or so ago, seems quite a few people are unaware of this practice, so read onnn.

    Have you ever been told you were over your credit card limit, or had your debit card declined, even though you knew you had available credit, or money in your bank account? If this happened shortly after you stayed in a hotel or rented a car, the problem could have been card "blocking."

    What's Blocking?
    When you use a credit or debit card to check into a hotel or rent a car, the clerk usually contacts the company that issued your card to give an estimated total. If the transaction is approved, your available credit (credit card) or the balance in your bank account (debit card) is reduced by this amount. That's a "block." Some companies also call this placing a "hold" on those amounts.

    Here's how it works: Suppose you use a credit or debit card when you check into a $100-a-night hotel for five nights. At least $500 would likely be blocked. In addition, hotels and rental car companies often add anticipated charges for "incidentals" like food, beverages, or gasoline to the blocked amount. These incidental amounts can vary widely among merchants.

    If you pay your bill with the same card you used when you checked in, the final charge on your credit card, or final amount on your debit card, probably will replace the block in a day or two. However, if you pay your bill with a different card, or with cash or a check, the company that issued the card you used at check-in might hold the block for up to 15 days after you've checked out. That's because they weren't notified of the final payment and didn't know you paid another way.

    Why Blocking Can Be a Problem
    Blocking is used to make sure you don't exceed your credit line (credit card) or overdraw your bank account (debit card) before checking out of a hotel or returning a rental car, leaving the merchant unpaid. Blocking is sometimes also used by restaurants for anticipated sizeable bills (like large groups at dinner or a party), by companies cleaning your home, and other businesses to ensure credit or account money will be available to complete payment.

    If you're nowhere near your credit limit or don't have a low balance in your bank account, blocking probably won't be a problem. But if you're reaching that point, be careful. Not only can it be embarrassing to have your card declined, it also can be inconvenient, especially if you have an emergency purchase and insufficient credit or money in your bank account. On debit cards, depending on the balance in your bank account, blocking could lead to charges for insufficient funds while the block remains in place.

    How to Avoid Blocking
    To avoid the aggravation that blocking can cause, follow these tips:
    When you check into a hotel or rent a car - or if a restaurant or other business asks for your card in advance of service - ask if the company is "blocking," how much will be blocked, how the amount is determined, and how long the block remains in place.
    Consider paying hotel, motel, rental car, or other "blocked" bills with the same credit or debit card you used at the beginning of the transaction. Ask the clerk when the prior block will be removed.
    If you pay with a different card, by cash, or by check, remind the clerk you're using a different form of payment and ask them to remove the prior block promptly.
    Ask your current debit card issuer if they permit blocks, for how long, and from what types of merchants. If they do, you may want to consider getting an overdraft line of credit from your bank. Ask about a plan that always automatically covers the overdraft and does not involve a separate bank decision on whether or not to pay it each time. Although you might incur some interest on this plan if you don't pay off the amount fairly quickly, you would not have an overdraft that is not paid. Ask your bank if they offer an overdraft line of credit, how it would work, and how much it costs.
    In addition, if you are considering a credit or debit card, shop around. When comparing credit and debit card offers, ask issuers if they permit blocks, for how long, and from what types of merchants. You may want to consider an issuer that uses shorter blocks.

    For More Information

    The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop and avoid them. To file a complaint or to get free information on consumer issues, visit www.ftc.gov or call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357); TTY: 1-866-653-4261. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity theft and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad.
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  2. georgiaboy

    georgiaboy Well-Known Member

    <bump for the evening vistors>
     
  3. NJones

    NJones Well-Known Member

    I learned about this the hard way several years back...
    The clutch on the truck that I had went out at 40,000 miles (!). So, I figured I'd upgrade with a better one. The clutch kit was about $300 from JEG's. It came, then I noticed that there was a double charge. I figured it was a fluke and it would go away in a day or two. Then, it came time to pay the mechanic for the work performed to my truck, and I couldn't! So, I called Discover, they explained things to me (helpfully, actually), so I called Jeg's and had them remove the block...
     
  4. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    NEVER pay for the charge on the car rental or hotel with the same card you "HELD" it with...

    ALWAYS HAVE A BACK-UP OR TWO OR THREE!!!

    ...or have enough credit limt IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

    $5,000 min
     
  5. NJones

    NJones Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, we can't force the card issuers to give us $5k minimum! I wish it were that easy. I have $2,500, $2000, $1200, $300, $200, $200....
     
  6. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    UNLESS THEY ARE "FULL"...your $2,500 or $2,000 or $1,200 IS MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR ANY CAR RENTAL AND HOTEL VACATION...
     
  7. NJones

    NJones Well-Known Member

    Nope, all empty...
    My point was, some people can only get small cards or only 1 card, so blocking may be a much bigger deal to them.
    At the time I was having a problem with my truck, I had a $300 Cap1 Visa and a $1200 Discover w/$400 balance... I just couldn't charge the parts cost twice and still pay for the repairs.
    It was a shock to me, but now I know better, and wouldn't be affected by blocking very much, unless it was for a very large charge.
     
  8. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    When you go to a RESTAURANT...you fill in the TIP LINE...they "RE-BILL" IT...NOT A "NEW" CHARGE...THEY JUST AUDIT THE PREVIOUS CHARGE...

    They bill $50.00 to your card...you add TIP...$7.50-$10.00...THEY CHANGE (AUDIT) THE PREVIOUS SALE TO ADD THE TIP...THE NEW CHARGE IS $57.50-$60.00

    A HOTEL OR CAR RENTAL COMPANY "CAN" DO THE SAME ON THEIR COMPUTER OR BY PHONE...

    The "HOLD" should be released 24-48 hours

    YMMV
     
  9. georgiaboy

    georgiaboy Well-Known Member

    <bump for the other 8000+ members>
     
  10. willgator

    willgator Well-Known Member

    whats up georgia!
     
  11. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    ...AND THAT MEANS WHAT???
     
  12. georgiaboy

    georgiaboy Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: *****Credit and Debit Card Blocking********

    George, I reckon it means, that possibly, there our still quite a few members that might have something to gain by reading the article.

    If its pushed back 20 pages, it will never be seen.

    This forum is for educating the general public, right?
     
  13. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: *****Credit and Debit Card Blocking********

    I took it to mean for GEORGE to SHUT UP...

    I guess I was reading between the WRONG lines...
     
  14. georgiaboy

    georgiaboy Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: *****Credit and Debit Card Blocking********

    Yep George, you took it the wrong way.
    I can assure you, if I ever have something personal to say to someone, there will be no need to read between the lines. I will be quite clear, and to the point.
     
  15. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: *****Credit and Debit Card Blocking********

    Just too PARANOID
     
  16. georgiaboy

    georgiaboy Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: *****Credit and Debit Card Blocking********

    George, you shouldnt be PARANOID, thats not good for your health.
     
  17. Hedwig

    Hedwig Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: *****Credit and Debit Card Blocking********

    Just because you use the same card when you check out or settle your bill does NOT mean that the hold will be automatically released. In many cases, especially bank cards, the hold goes through and then the charge goes through separately. When my husband and I were dating, we went away for a weekend. We went to a fairly expensive hotel. I didn't realize he was using a debit card, or I would have used my credit card to check in.

    A week after we got back, he got a NSF notice from the bank. He knew he was no where near overdrawn. After going to the bank and going through his account, he was told that the hotel had put a $750 14-day hold on his account. Even though the bank rep could see that the later charge had come through, she couldn't release the hold and said he'd have to wait the rest of the 14 days or contact the hotel. The hotel wasn't too willing to release it, they said it would just expire at the end of the 14 days. Obviously, they were used to people who could handle that on their account.

    The bank had paid his check, just charged him the NSF charge. They did reverse that charge, and didn't charge him for the next check that was presented before the hold was released.
     
  18. georgiaboy

    georgiaboy Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: *****Credit and Debit Card Blocking********

    Hedwig, post like yours is the reason Im trying to keep this article bumped to the first page so people can be informed.
    Its pretty sad that your husband had to pay a NSF charge for something that was not his fault.
     
  19. Hedwig

    Hedwig Well-Known Member

    No, the bank relented and took the NSF charge off eventually, but I think he made two trips to the bank first.
     
  20. georgiaboy

    georgiaboy Well-Known Member

    Either way you look at it, it costed him money.
     

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