Credit Scoring Help, Please

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Scoreguy, Sep 16, 2002.

  1. Scoreguy

    Scoreguy Well-Known Member

    I have 8-10 accounts with balances. Should I transfer all the balances on 2 cards? Will it help my score out? It seems everytime I get a balance on a new account my score goes down. The CRA factors always state my ratios are too much. I have about $32,000 in credit and I owe $8,000. Somebody please help!!!
     
  2. Scoreguy

    Scoreguy Well-Known Member

    Please help?????
     
  3. GaryL

    GaryL Member

    From what I've read here on the board, and from my own personal experience, scores can be adversely affected by too much overall debt carried on revolving accounts. I'm not sure if carrying most of that debt on one or two cards hurts your scores, but I would imagine that "maxxing out" a card would be detrimental as well.

    Hope that helps.
     
  4. DemPooches

    DemPooches Well-Known Member

    My experience has been that we kept the best scores when our utilization was below 50% on any individual card and there were no more than 5 revolving accounts with any balance at all.

    This seemed to affect EQ more than the others, but having ANY tradeline at over 50% seemed to cause all of them to take a hit.

    We've been working on this for about 8 months now and have seen the same results more than once.

    Hope this helps.

    DemPooches
     
  5. G. Fisher

    G. Fisher Banned

    What are the four rreasons given that your score is not higher?

    What is the name of the score, and how did you obtain it?
     
  6. Scoreguy

    Scoreguy Well-Known Member

    I have posted my Curent TU Credit Report here. My Equifax is the same with a score of 670. Lets see if we can see how I can improve my score??

    It says I have too many store cards with balances, but I don't have any balances on store cards.

    I also don't have anything negative on both reports.






    SEARS Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Verified date: 09/2002
    Balance: $239
    Individual Account

    Opened: 06/2002
    Most Owed: $239
    Payment Terms: Minimum $10

    Closed: Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $300


    Status as of 09/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 04 months from last update, never late


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    MBNA AMERICA Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Updated: 09/2002
    Balance: $2643
    Individual Account

    Opened: 08/2002
    Most Owed: $3040
    Payment Terms: Minimum $58

    Closed: Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $5000


    Status as of 09/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 02 months from last update, never late


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    PROVIDIAN Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Updated: 09/2002
    Balance: $0
    Individual Account

    Opened: 07/2002
    Most Owed: $94
    Payment Terms: $0

    Paid Off: 08/2002
    Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $1000


    Status as of 08/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 01 months from date paid, never late


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    CAPITAL 1 BK Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Verified date: 08/2002
    Balance: $0
    Individual Account

    Opened: 11/2001
    Most Owed: $194
    Payment Terms: $0

    Paid Off: 08/2002
    Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $0


    Status as of 08/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 10 months from date paid, never late


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    HHLD BANK Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Verified date: 08/2002
    Balance: $0
    Individual Account

    Opened: 04/2002
    Most Owed: $255
    Payment Terms: $0

    Closed: Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $300


    Status as of 08/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 05 months from last update, never late


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    WFNNB/VCTRIA Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Charge Account
    Verified date: 08/2002
    Balance: $0
    Individual Account

    Opened: 05/2002
    Most Owed: $212
    Payment Terms: $0

    Closed: Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $300


    Status as of 08/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 04 months from last update, never late


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    RNB-FIELD3 Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Charge Account
    Verified date: 08/2002
    Balance: $0
    Individual Account

    Opened: 07/2002
    Most Owed: $345
    Payment Terms: $0

    Paid Off: 07/2002
    Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $500


    Status as of 07/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 02 months from date paid, never late


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    RNB-TGTVISA Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Updated: 08/2002
    Balance: $872
    Individual Account

    Opened: 07/2002
    Most Owed: $872
    Payment Terms: Minimum $22

    Closed: Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $1500


    Status as of 08/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 01 months from last update, never late


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    BANKAMERICA Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Updated: 08/2002
    Balance: $591
    Individual Account

    Opened: 08/2002
    Most Owed: $591
    Payment Terms: Minimum $10

    Closed: Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $6000


    Status as of 08/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 01 months from last update, never late


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    HHLD BANK Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Updated: 07/2002
    Balance: $1890
    Individual Account

    Opened: 06/2002
    Most Owed: $1890
    Payment Terms: Minimum $47

    Closed: Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $2000


    Status as of 07/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 02 months from last update, never late


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    HHLD BANK Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Updated: 07/2002
    Balance: $53
    Individual Account

    Opened: 07/2002
    Most Owed: $53
    Payment Terms: $0

    Closed: Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $3500


    Status as of 07/2002: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 01 months from last update, never late


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    DISCOVER FIN Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Cancelled by credit grantor Credit Card
    Updated: 07/2001
    Balance: $0
    Individual Account

    Opened: 10/1997
    Most Owed: $0
    Payment Terms: $0

    Closed: 04/2001
    Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $1000


    Status as of 04/2001: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 42 months from date closed, never late


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    UNVL/CITI Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Updated: 04/2000
    Balance: $0
    Individual Account

    Opened: 10/1997
    Most Owed: $0
    Payment Terms: $0

    Closed: Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $500


    Status as of 04/2000: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 30 months from last update, never late


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DILLARD Acnt#: Revolving Account
    Credit Card
    Updated: 07/1999
    Balance: $0
    Individual Account

    Opened: 10/1997
    Most Owed: $0
    Payment Terms: $0

    Paid Off: 11/1997
    Past Due: $0
    Credit Limit: $400


    Status as of 11/1997: Paid or paying as agreed
    In prior 01 months from date paid, never late

    return to top Print your report


    The following companies have received your credit report. Their inquiries remain on your credit report for two years. (Note: TransUnion consumer disclosure inquiries are not viewed by creditors.)

    Date Inquiry Type Subscriber Name
    09/05/2002
    Individual BANKFIRST
    09/05/2002
    Individual TU CONSUMER RELATIONS
    08/28/2002
    Individual CAPITAL ONE
    08/26/2002
    Individual AMERICAN FAMILY INS Via:AMERICAN FAMILY INS. Permissible Purpose = INSURANCE UNDERWRITING
    08/13/2002
    Individual ANB/CITIBANK SD
    08/12/2002
    Individual FLEET CC
    08/07/2002
    Individual MBNA AMERICA
    08/02/2002
    Individual CHASE MANHATTAN BANK
    08/01/2002
    Individual MBNA AMERICA
    08/01/2002
    Individual FUSA
    08/01/2002
    Individual TU CONSUMER RELATIONS
    08/01/2002
    Individual GENERATIONS BANK
    07/31/2002
    Individual CITI CARDS CBSDNA
    07/31/2002
    Individual AMERICAN EXPRESS
    07/31/2002
    Individual BANK OF AMERICA
    07/31/2002
    Individual FNANB/CIRCUIT CITY
    07/31/2002
    Individual US BANK



    ****I also have $12,000 in Credit Cards with no balances that are not reporting yet*********

    Your Credit Score: 618
    Minimum Score: 150
    Maximum Score: 934



    Factor 1: TOTAL ACCOUNT BALANCES EXCLUDING MORTGAGES IS TOO HIGH
    HIGH ACCOUNT BALANCES HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON YOUR CREDIT SCORE. LOWERING YOUR BALANCES ON THESE ACCOUNTS MAY IMPROVE YOUR CREDIT SCORE.



    Factor 2: DEPARTMENT STORE AND CLOTHING ACCOUNT BALANCES ARE TOO HIGH IN PROPORTION TO CREDIT LIMITS
    CONSUMERS HAVING HIGH BALANCES ON THESE ACCOUNTS IN RELATION TO THE CREDIT LIMITS ARE MORE LIKELY OF FUTURE DELINQUENCY. LOWERING YOUR BALANCES ON THESE ACCOUNTS MAY IMPROVE YOUR CREDIT SCORE.



    Factor 3: LENGTH OF TIME OLDEST BANK REVOLVING ACCOUNT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IS TOO SHORT
    LONGER CREDIT HISTORIES PROVIDE MORE PAYMENT BEHAVIOR INFORMATION. CONTINUING PROMPT PAYMENTS OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME ON THE SAME ACCOUNTS MAY IMPROVE YOUR CREDIT SCORE.



    Factor 4: TOO MANY INQUIRIES
    EXCESSIVE INQUIRIES ON THE CREDIT REPORT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON YOUR CREDIT SCORE. LIMITING THE NUMBER OF CREDIT APPLICATIONS YOU COMPLETE MAY IMPROVE YOUR CREDIT SCORE.
     
  7. G. Fisher

    G. Fisher Banned

    Why are you spending time evaluating an inconsequential score?

    If you're going to worry about something, at least make it the TransUnion FICO.
     
  8. Scoreguy

    Scoreguy Well-Known Member

    My real TU score is 643.
     
  9. GaryL

    GaryL Member

    Just noticed that you've opened a lot of revolving accounts this year. Normally, there is at least one "hard" inquiry per account opened. Each hard inquiry can have a detrimental effect to your score. (in my experience, the inquiries are about a 3-7 point hit per inquiry). After the accounts season a bit (about 6 months to a year or so) the inquiries have a minimal effect on the score (again, from my own personal experience).

    Don't know why the factors listed are showing high debt ratios. But then again, not much the CRAs do makes sense.

    Good luck!
     
  10. Brenda

    Brenda Well-Known Member

    I had five 6 Accts with Bal . four MAx out scores was 712 TU, then I had 10 accounts with bal score drop to 626. I think accounts with more then six with bal hurts your scores alot, get the ##### of accts down.
     
  11. DemPooches

    DemPooches Well-Known Member

    Score guy,

    If your report were mine, here's what I'd do.

    First of all, take into account which accounts are offering you special promotional rates and take advantage of them...but only up to 49% of the credit line.

    Assuming everything else is equal I'd balance transfer to get to something like this....

    Sears - $0
    MBNA - $2450
    Providian - $0
    Cap 1 - $0
    Household - $0
    WFNNB/VCTRIA - $0
    RNB-FIELD - $0
    RNB-TGT VISA - $0
    BANKAMERICA - $1463
    HHLD BANK1- $950
    HHLDBANK2 - $1597
    DISCOVER - $0
    UNVL/CITI - $0
    DILLARD - $0

    I think I got the amounts right.

    In a nutshell, transfer the Target balance to Bankamerica. Transfer to HHbank2 (or just pay off) the other balances as necessary to achieve the results in the list above.

    Use the BOA card for any additional needs (but don't let it get above $2999) and leave the others alone until all have updated.

    I didn't know this until the other day, but Household apparently reports your balance as of the 30th of the month, NOT as of your statement date, so you need to plan your timing accordingly.

    Hope this helps. (Like I said at the beginning, it's what I'd do.) My list is geared toward maximizing your scores. Since I don't know the APRs on your cards, it may cost you some money if you had some good APR deals.

    DemPooches
     
  12. Scoreguy

    Scoreguy Well-Known Member

    Thank You, I think that may help out.
     
  13. Scoreguy

    Scoreguy Well-Known Member

    Any other Suggestions
     
  14. G. Fisher

    G. Fisher Banned

    Yes. List the reasons given for the FICO.
     
  15. kbanger

    kbanger Well-Known Member

    Don't want to jack your thread, but which Citi card is this? I have them as a soft on my TU and just wanted to know, so incase I apply for it, I know who they pull.

    Thanks
     

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