As this Wall Street Journal article states, your banks and credit card issuers can now pull your credit reports daily. File for bankruptcy today, have your credit card frozen tomorrow! Careful, Your Bank Is Watching --- New Technology Lets Lenders Get Daily Reports On Customers, Allowing for Targeted Offers By Ron Lieber 1,068 words 22 July 2003 The Wall Street Journal D1 English (Copyright (c) 2003, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.) YOUR BANK is stalking you. For years, credit-card issuers have quietly checked the credit reports of their customers from time to time to make sure they hadn't run up huge new debts elsewhere. If they found black marks, they would often make those customers pay a higher interest rate or lower their credit limit. Now, in a development that significantly steps up the surveillance, banks have the ability to check up on customers on a daily basis. The three big credit bureaus -- Experian Information Solutions Inc., Marmon Group's TransUnion LLC and Equifax Inc. -- are touting new technology that can recognize so-called triggers: signs that tip off card issuers that it is time to rein in a risky customer. If a customer declares bankruptcy today, a card issuer can find out about it the day after and cut off charging privileges the day after that. Lenders are using the trigger tools to do more than just the traditional review of risk factors. They are also literally watching their customers shop. Experian, for example, is selling banks a daily peek at current customers' credit reports. That way, banks can see if customers are looking to refinance their mortgage with a rival. ("Do you know what your customers are doing? Right now?" asks its marketing brochure.) Bank One Corp. is using triggers to identify home-equity-loan holders who are shopping around. If they discover another lender has pulled a credit report on a customer -- a sign the customer is looking for a new loan -- Bank One can swoop in and make its own cut-rate offer to keep the customer from bolting. In May, Bank of America Corp. tested the triggers in its mortgage business, though the bank says it isn't using them now. It is perfectly legal to track customers' credit histories and adjust the terms of their loans accordingly. Until recently, however, it was too expensive or complicated to get this information -- whether it be credit blemishes or loan applications -- on a daily basis. But new, more powerful computers and better databases have changed that. In the past, Experian, a unit of Britain's GUS PLC, delivered gigantic data dumps to financial clients every month or two. Now, it can provide them with daily updates on specific customers. "Instead of [businesses] saying to us, `Here's 20 million names, please pull all the data on them,' they're saying `Here's 20 million names, and when something changes, tell us about it,'" says Richard Lombardi, Experian's director of marketing, portfolio solutions. The kind of information tracked includes updates on bankruptcy filings or judgments against a cardholder, information on late payments to other billers, plus other data on how much credit they are using. In addition, when consumers apply for new credit cards, a notice of each application appears on their credit report. The more frequent surveillance may raise privacy concerns for some consumers, but it won't have an effect on the quality of their credit. While applying for lots of loans and credit cards can lower one's credit score, banks can't damage your report simply by checking it. J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. notifies customers whose credit-card terms change for the worse and provides an explanation upon request. It also tells cardholders they can get a free copy of their credit report because of the repricing. A Chase spokeswoman notes that the bank uses triggering information to identify customers whose credit has improved as well, so it can give them a better deal on their credit cards. "More customers see the positive results of using credit-bureau information than negative results," she says. The use of credit reports is drawing scrutiny now that parts of the Fair Credit Reporting Act, which sets rules on how companies use personal data, are up for renewal in Congress. Some consumer advocates and members of Congress would like to restrict the ability of companies to use data from a credit report to change the terms of a credit card. This is known as "risk-based repricing," which often means raising the interest rate on a card held by someone deemed a credit risk. The new monitoring tools are especially useful for mortgage companies that want to keep their best customers from refinancing with competitors. Bank One tracks its best home-equity loan customers, and if it sees them applying for similar loans elsewhere, it calls them. "We don't say `Hey, we know you're looking for a loan somewhere else,'" says a Bank One spokeswoman. "We see it as irrelevant to say that we know you're out shopping. We should be constantly monitoring our customers' needs, and we are." Experian executives note that there is a potential benefit for consumers who trigger a call from their current lender. "This just gives more options to consumers who are in the market shopping to raise their hand and say that they're looking for a better rate," says Laura DeSoto, a senior vice president. Ed Mierzwinski of U.S. Public Interest Research Group, a consumer-advocacy group, warns consumers to beware of lowball counteroffers from their banks. He says they may get better rates by shopping around. Bank One disputes this, noting that it offers special rates not available in its branches to keep good customers. To avoid an interest-rate hike on your credit card, pay all your bills on time. Maxing out your credit cards can be a bad sign, too, as is applying for a bunch of new cards, according to Ron Robine, an official with Bank One. "Just because an offer lands in your mailbox, don't respond because you'd like to have another credit card sitting in your desk drawer."
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Jeez. I figured they'd EVENTUALLY get to this, just not this soon. How long until they'll get updates real time? 12:00 Make a purchase that comes within $100 of your limit on card A 12:01 Card B jacks your rate to 40%
If all of my creditors started pulling soft reports everyday, would my file get to large? The CRA's claim we don't need to pull our own everyday. If we do, many of us get split files and files that are two large. If you have 20 creditors pulling it everyday. wouldn't the same thing happen??
1.How will this effect bumpage? Will their daily softs eventually bump hards? 2.Would the standard 15% gratuity be appropriate for such a service? LOL
Did you notice this buried in the middle of the article? One of the things they can check is "information on late payments to other billers." There has been discussion before about a company jacking your rates because you are late on a payment to someone else. The CRAs say we don't need to check our credit daily, but it looks like we will have to now. The first piece of incorrect information posted could cause all of your cards to have the rates raised and the limits lowered! BUT--when the incorrect information is corrected, do you think the rates and limits will be restored the next day? I seriously doubt it.
Which is EXACTLY why we need to fight this tooth and nail. I know there are groups and web sites out there that fight for consumer's rights and privacy, and we ALL need to sign the petitions, etc ... to have this thing repeeled. The very thought of this makes me tremble, this is worse than Big Brother. I've had several of my CC's go up in APR because of a late payment or high usuage on another CC, and I think that is totally unfair. Ok, so I get into a little debt or miss a payment, so how is raising the rates on my other CC's going to help out? All that does is make it harder to pay them as well and soon you might be late with one of their payments. It's totally predatory. They don't care about your ability to pay, hell, if they can find an excuse to raise your rates, then cause you to be late and then collect late fees on top of the extra interest - that is all the care about! Like the previous poster said, this could lead to CC1 raising your interest rate within a few says cause you are late on CC2, but once we pay on time a while, or if the late info was incorrect and we dispute it and get it corrected, do ya think CC1 will drop your interest rate back down? Refund you the extra in interest that you paid so fa? HELL NO they won't, and this goes beyond Permissable Purpose to me, a normal "account review" that they may do every so often, checking once a day or have the CRA's database set triggers and alert the Creditors on a dailt or real-time basis is totally ridiculous. FedUp2003
Re: Re: Re: Daily Report Pulls from CC Issuers 1*I've had several of my CC's go up in APR because of a late payment or high usage on another CC, and I think that is totally unfair. 2*It's totally predatory. 3**They don't care about your ability to pay, hell, if they can find an excuse to raise your rates, then cause you to be late and then collect late fees on top of the extra interest - that is all they care about! FedUp2003 =================== 1*Did you know this practice used to be illegal? 2* it's more like Legal robbery. 3*LB 59 says reporting and scoring is nothing more than a legalized scam. THE END Stress Test http://webpages.charter.net/hkirtley/stress/01.htm ** *** ** LB 59 """""""""```~~~```'"""""""""
Re: Re: Re: Daily Report Pulls from CC Issuers 1*There has been discussion before about a company jacking your rates because you are late on a payment to someone else. 2*BUT--when the incorrect information is corrected, do you think the rates and limits will be restored the next day? I seriously doubt it. Hedwig ================= 1*Did you all know that this used to be against the law. 2*Another reason reporting and scoring is a con job. THE END ** *** ** LB 59 """""""""```~~~```'""""""""" http://consumers.creditnet.com/straighttalk/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49849
Re: Re: Re: Daily Report Pulls from CC Issuers Getting incorrect info off a CBR takes time because the CBRâ??s always assume itâ??s correct. But CC issuers can arbitrarily jack rates cut limits etcâ?¦ on any given day for any reason, this is unethical and certainly does not foster a long term relationship. Many years ago you opened a savings account when you were a kid that bank then later gave you a checking account a car loan a credit card and a mortgage. Thru relationship banking the banks made money the consumer was happy. Now with FICO and ARâ??s this is sadly diminished
PRM's and AR's only can help with "B" With 10 or 20 a month (PRM/AR) a "HARD" would not last even 4 months...let alone 2 years...(ASSUMING THEY DON'T INCREASE THE FILE AVAILABLE SIZE) YMMV
Re: Re: Daily Report Pulls from CC Issuers It would help with "B", but it would also help get files split too.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Daily Report Pulls from CC Issuers Getting incorrect info off a CBR takes time because the CBRâ??s always assume itâ??s correct. 8004me =============== The Reporters and CRAs both know it's inaccurate but realize that accurate information is not where the money is made. This and the rest of your post shows why Fico and credit reporting is a con job.It has scam written all over it.