The renewal letter I got in todays mail says some STINKIN' GARBAGE CRS 42-2-107(3)(a), requires your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER to process your application for a driver license. ...BUT MY SOCIAL SECURITY CARD SAYS "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES--NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION Can I copy SS card and BLACK OUT NUMBERS and "HIGHLIGHT" ..."FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES--NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION??? Also how do you look up the CRS 42-2-107(3)(a)???
New Jersey has a similar law. You cannot register your vehicle or get a DL without providing your SSN. Is this perhaps not legal?
FOUND IT ON MY OWN... (3) (a) Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection (3), on and after October 1, 2000, an application for a driver's or minor driver's license shall include the applicant's social security number, which shall remain confidential and shall not be placed on the applicant's driver's or minor driver's license unless such applicant has waived such confidentiality; except that such confidentiality shall not extend to the state child support enforcement agency, the department, or a court of competent jurisdiction when requesting information in the course of activities authorized under article 13 of title 26, C.R.S.,or article 14 of title 14, C.R.S. If the applicant does not have a social security number, the applicant shall submit a sworn statement, together with the application, stating that the applicant does not have a social security number. The license issued as a result of said application may, at the applicant's option, contain an identification number, which shall be the applicant's social security number. I WILL ASSUME I STILL HAVE A RIGHT TO REFUSE ON THE GROUNDS THAT MY SS# IS NOT ID!!!!!!!!!
Virtually every state requires you to provide you Social Security Number in order to apply for a driver's license or a renewal. You can thank a federal law that was passed in the mid-90s to try and track down "deadbeat dads" (which I think is an extremely sexist term because there are women who have also skipped out on child support as well) and deny them certain benefits and privileges, like a driver's license, professional licenses, confiscate their tax refunds, etc. While you do have to provide your SSN, you DO NOT have to allow the state DMV to use your SSN as your driver's license number. Ask for an assigned number. I sincerely doubt that the state DMV would pay to 'validate' the number. They are just going to match it against their database of SSNs to see if there is a hit. Give an incorrect number at your own risk though, as this would technically be making a false statement to a government agency, and we know how they hate that. Unfortunately a driver's license is viewed as a 'privilege' and not a 'right', so you are going to have to fork over the number. Conversely, the Commonwealth of Virginia was sued a couple of years ago because they required people registering to vote to provide their SSN. This policy was struck down by the Supreme Court because people were being denied a constitutional right for refusing to disclose their SSN in violation of the privacy act of 1974. Virginia's 'excuse' was that they were trying to prevent election fraud by preventing non-citizens from voting and preventing people from registering in multiple locations. One does not need to be a citizen in order to obtain a SSN though. During the lawsuit they also stated that they made no attempt to validate the numbers provided by registrants due to the cost of doing so.
I WILL "TEST" THE PROGRAM...I will send a copy of my ss card with the "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES--NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" highlited, SS# BLACKED OUT, attach a check, fill out MOST of the form and see what happens...I have until JANUARY 2002...my BIRTHDAY month...
J. Edgar 'privilege' and not a 'right' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...I have a RIGHT to NOT give CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION TO THEM...
I don't think there are any states left that do not collect your SSN for a DL. Now I know that a few will not require you provide SSN for a non-driver state ID card but for a DL, yep, you gotta give it up. Now the states were not really required to collect the numbers, however, the federal laws previously mentioned gave them the authority to do so--with the stipulation that federal highway dollars would be withheld by Uncle Sam if th states did not collect the SSN. How the states collect/verify the SSN is also up to the state. Some require documented proof such as SSN card (it's not for identifying you, per se, it's used to verify your SSA number) or some other official government document like a military ID or even a DL/ID issued by a state (OK and HI) that uses your SSN as your ID number or prints the SSN on the ID. Other states have a computer hook-up with the Social Security Administration. BUT the SSA will not fork over your info, what happens (by SSA mandate) is the state DMV sends your pertinent info: name, birthdate and SSN your provided via secure comm link to SSA. If all info matches what is in SSA's database, the state gets a MATCH. However, if anything is out of synch--DMV transposes your birthdate as 11-05-69 as opposed to 05-11-69, or if DMV sends Marc and not Mark, or you give them the wrong SSN--then the SSA computer will give DMV a NO MATCH which means you won't be getting your DL until everything is cleared up. What that also means is that if SSA has your info wrong in their own system, then you're in for a lenghtly fight to have them clean up their mess so you can get your DL. Some state requirements: DELAWARE To apply for a Delaware driver's license you must present documents to show proof of your name and age, social security number, and two proofs of your Delaware residency. All drivers must sign a driver license application and answer the appropriate questions on that form. Those applicants who are licensed in another state must surrender their license from the other state. If eligible for a Social Security Number it must be provided. Mandatory Disclosure of Social Security Numbers Disclosure of the applicant's social security number is mandatory if eligible. Federal and state law authorizes such disclosure. See 42 U.S.C. Section 405(c)(2)(1) and 21 Del. C. Section 2718(a). The Division will use social security numbers solely for the administration of the drivÂer's license program to ensure accurate identification. Social security numbers will not be reÂleased to business or private individuals, but may be released to state agencies to carry out their governmental functions. TEXAS Social Security Number As of February 3, 1997, anyone applying for a Texas driver license is required to show proof of his or her Social Security number before the license will be issued. Those seeking to renew their driver license in person or requesting a duplicate license will also need proof of their SSN. The new requirement does not apply to individuals applying for an Identification Card. The DPS has requested the SSN on a voluntary basis since 1992. The Texas Family Code, Section 231.302 (c)(1), Texas Transportation Code, Sections 521.044 and 522.021 and the Administrative Rules, Section 15.42 and 16.40, require that a social security number be obtained from every applicant for a driver license. The SSN will not appear on the driver license itself and will be made available only to DPS for identification purposes and to the Child Support Division of the State Attorney Generalâ??s Office for child support enforcement. Additionally, federal laws, Social Security Act, 42 U.S.C 405 (c)(2)(C)(i) and 49 C.F.R. 383.153, authorize states to obtain the SSN as an identifier for driver licensing purposes. The list of documents the Driver License Office will review as Proof of Social Security: Federal Issued Social Security Card Healthcard (if member number represents Social Security Number) issued by government agencies. Pilot's License Military Identification Peace Officer-TCLEOSE DD-214 Medicare/Medicaid Cards Income Tax Documents W-2/1099 Forms Pay Stub with the Social Security printed Employer ID that incorporates the Social Security Number as employee number College Identification (must include your SSN) Certified School Records/Transcript Veteran's Administration Card with SSN preprinted on card Government Issued Driver License Metal Social Security cards or types sold at flea markets will NOT be accepted. To apply for a SSN or to replace a lost Social Security card, please contact the Social Security Administration at 1-800-772-1213 from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. or leave a message after those hours. All documents submitted as proof of Social Security Number are subject to final approval by the Driver License Office. FLORIDA What do I need to bring to obtain a Florida Driver License or Identification Card? Under Age 18 *One primary and one secondary form of identification, must be original or certified copy. The identification must show your legal name and date of birth. *Social Security number, if issued. *Proof of completion of a Traffic Law & Substance Abuse Education Course or license from another jurisdiction. *Parental Consent Form - must be notarized or signed in the presence of a driver license examiner. Age 18 or Older *One primary and one secondary form of identification, must be original or certified copy. The identification must show your legal name and date of birth. *Social Security number, if issued. *Proof of completion of a Traffic Law & Substance Abuse Education Course or license from another jurisdiction. *Proof of Florida vehicle registration if any vehicles are required to be registered in this state. New Resident *Valid out-of-state license to surrender. *Social Security number. *A secondary identification document Florida Identification Card *One primary and one secondary form of identification, must be original or certified copy. The identification must show your legal name and date of birth. *Social Security number if issued. *Must be 12 years of age or older (No minimum age in Citrus, St. Johns or Monroe counties). *No test required. Note: Giving false information on an application for a driver license or identification card is a third degree felony which may result in arrest, and includes a one-year suspension of the driving privilege. Proof of correct address may be required, for example, cancelled mail envelope received. HAWAII Effective January 1, 2001, the Social Security Number will no longer be printed on the plastic driver's license. A computer generated "alternate number" will take its place. However, the applicant must still provide the Social Security Number on the application form. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL APPLICANTS (New, Renewals and Duplicate Licenses and Instruction Permits) Proof of Name, Birth Date, and if applicable, Sex Change (e.g., Birth Certificate, Certified Marriage Certificate, Certified Decree of Name Change, State or Military I.D. Card, Alien/Refugee Registration I.D., Certified Physician's Certificate of Sex Change, etc.) Photocopies are not acceptable. Note: For minor applicants between the ages of 15.5 through 17, a certified copy of the minorâ??s birth certificate is required to establish proof of age and to determine who may sign the parental consent. Proof of Social Security Number (e.g., Social Security Card, Previous Driver's License indicating Social Security Number, State or Military I.D. Card, etc.) Photocopies are not acceptable.
From SSN.GOV: When do I have to provide my Social Security number? Question Must I provide a Social Security number (SSN) to any business or government agency that asks? Answer Having a Social Security number (SSN) just for the sake of having one is not mandatory and not all individuals are eligible for SSNs. However, specific laws require a person to provide his/her SSN for certain purposes. While we cannot give you a comprehensive list of all situations where an SSN might be required or requested, an SSN is required/requested by: · Internal Revenue Service for tax returns and federal loans · States for the school lunch program · Banks for monetary transactions · Veterans Administration as a hospital admission number · Department of Labor for workersâ?? compensation · Department of Education for Student Loans · States to administer any tax, general public assistance, motor vehicle or drivers license law within its jurisdiction · States for child support enforcement · States for commercial driverâ??s licenses · States for Food Stamps · States for Medicaid · States for Unemployment Compensation · States for Temporary Assistance to Needy Families · U.S. Treasury for U.S. Savings Bonds The Privacy Act regulates the use of SSNs by government agencies. When a Federal, State, or local government agency asks an individual to disclose his or her Social Security number, the Privacy Act requires the agency to inform the person of the following: the statutory or other authority for requesting the information; whether disclosure is mandatory or voluntary; what uses will be made of the information; and the consequences, if any, of failure to provide the information. If a business or other enterprise asks you for your SSN, you can refuse to give it. However, that may mean doing without the purchase or service for which your number was requested. For example, utility companies and other services ask for a Social Security number, but do not need it; they can do a credit check or identify the person in their records by alternative means. Giving your number is voluntary, even when you are asked for the number directly. If requested, you should ask why your number is needed, how your number will be used, what law requires you to give your number and what the consequences are if you refuse. The answers to these questions can help you decide if you want to give your Social Security number. The decision is yours. -------------------- Most government agencies can require the provision of your number as long as they indicate such provision is covered under the Privacy Act of 1974. As for the "Not for ID" statement on social security cards, this was placed on the cards originally although there has never been a specific law passed prohibiting the use of SS cards as ID.
One additional thing I noted on the SS website - The states can require you provide your SS number for a driver's license, elsewhere on the website it recommends you provide a drivers license as proof of ID to obtain a ss card - typical catch 22.
Until Jan. 1,2002 you can get a driver's license without a social security number (or proof of residency) in North Carolina. The idea was to make it easier for illegal immigrants to get a license, but he legislature is putting a stop to it.
I don't have anything to hide... It is just NOT FOR ID!!!!! Sams wanted it...I SAID NO. Voting wanted it...I SAID NO. I saw an accident (police wanted it)...I SAID NO. Insurance company wanted it...I SAID NO. The university wanted for a class...I SAID NO. There was a car fire in the parking lot at work (fire department wanted it)...I SAID NO. IF I AM APPLYING FOR CREDIT, FINE. EMPLOYMENT, FINE. TAXES, FINE. BUT, IT HAS GOT OUT OF HAND...NOW DRIVER'S LICENSE...NO!!!!!
I totally agree with you GEORGE. That is why identity theft is on the rise. Your SSN is now being used by other agencies as a means to track you. In some states, your SSN is your DL number. Talk about stupid. Why do universities need it? Can't they assign you a student ID number? Now everyone and their grandma is requesting SSN's for all sorts of stuff. You are right GEORGE.....it has gotten out of hand!
I would like to know how a non-resident "alien" can obtain a driver's license w/out having such a card? I'm sure that there must be a way. George, if you have the spare time, perhaps you should pursue this through legal/administrative channels. (?)
