Equifax/CSC

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by CAwatchdog, Jun 17, 2005.

  1. CAwatchdog

    CAwatchdog Well-Known Member

    LOTS of fraud going on with these two players.

    Anyone have any idea how many or which states EQUIFAX does not operate in?

    A national CRA refusing consumers on a statewide basis...saving lots of money on phone bills and phone reps.

    For those consumers who are not familiar with the "affiliate," I suspect that this makes no sense.

    Pls share any stories about bad dealings with Equifax...they are up to some dirty, dirty stuff.
     
  2. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    I presume Equifax referred you to CSC. What did CSC refuse to do?
     
  3. CAwatchdog

    CAwatchdog Well-Known Member

    OT, thanks for the response.

    This is a longer story...so for starters:

    In the past, I requested that Equifax disclose my Equifax file to me. I was told by Equifax that my requests were being referred to CSC.

    Each copy of my file that I received in the mail shortly thereafter bears the return address of CSC. Naturally, I assumed that these files were sent to me by CSC (and not Equifax).

    I recently learned that each of these files actually was sent to me by Equifax (and not CSC).

    Therefore, in order to comply with 15 U.S.C. §1681g(c)(2)(B), these files must state "a toll-free telephone number established by the agency, at which personnel are accessible to consumers during normal business hours."

    If you have requested your file directly from Equifax and received a file that you believe came from CSC, STOP and INVESTIGATE the inquiries on that file.

    If you see an "EQUIFAX" inquiry with a month/year that corresponds to the date of that file and you do NOT see a corresponding "CSC CONSUMER DISCLOSURE" inquiry, then that file was disclosed by EQUIFAX (and not CSC).

    Equifax recently admitted to me that Equifax disclosed a handfull of files to me, each of which bears CSC's return address and a toll free number for CSC's "information line," 800-392-7816.

    This telephone number is not established by Equifax and NO (Equifax or CSC) representative is "accessible" to me at this number. CSC does have a dispute telephone number that CSC representatives answer (at best) Monday - Thursday, 888-700-3183. CSC's dispute line was not answered by any representative during some of December 2004-January 2005. I have yet to determine the precise dates that CSC was closed during the 'holiday season.'
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    I have only described the tip of the iceberg.
     
  4. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    File a complaint with FTC, or your state AG, based on no answer to the phone number they provided for you to call. Without consumer complaints, they can have no idea what service is being provided.

    Several CRAs were fined by FTC a while back for failure to provide an 800 number at which consumers could reach a representative within a reasonable wait, as required by law.
     
  5. CAwatchdog

    CAwatchdog Well-Known Member

    OT, I have an ongoing complaint with the Minnesota AG and FTC. Both complaints were initiated during July 2004. This is not a new issue,

    I hope to alert other consumers to the fact that Equifax does make disclosures pursuant to 609(a)(1) to consumers who are in "CSC territories," despite Equifax's verbal assertions that the request has been "referred to CSC."

    The first step in recognizing that Equifax has violated 609(c)(2)(B) is identifying which disclosures were made by EQUIFAX to the consumer. As I stated above, this is tricky because the return address always appears to be that of CSC.
     
  6. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    If Equifax has CSC respond in its name, would that not establish that CSC is Equifax's agent, and that therefore Equifax is responsible for any compliance failures made by CSC when CSC responds to any communication sent to Equifax? Particularly if the CRA "face" presented to users of reports is Equifax, regardless of whether the underlying data is "owned" by CSC.
     
  7. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    If a user, or a consumer, pulls a report on a consumer from Equifax, where they claim CSC actually owns the data, what does the report say about the source of the data? Does it say it is from Equifax, or from CSC?
     
  8. CAwatchdog

    CAwatchdog Well-Known Member

    If Equifax has CSC respond in its name, would that not establish that CSC is Equifax's agent, and that therefore Equifax is responsible for any compliance failures made by CSC when CSC responds to any communication sent to Equifax? Particularly if the CRA "face" presented to users of reports is Equifax, regardless of whether the underlying data is "owned" by CSC.

    What I have described above is Equifax's disclosures pursuant to Section 609(a)(1) that appear to be disclosures made by CSC by virtue of the return address. These disclosures are actually made by Equifax.

    Equifax's false representation of the return address serves at least two purposes: (1) it gets consumers to direct their future communications to CSC by mail (not by phone, the toll free # that Equifax provides is the # for CSC's "information line"), and (2) the consumer is unlikely to recognize the disclosure as one that is made by Equifax and therefore subject to the requirement imposed by Section 609(c)(2)(B).

    CSC holds itself out as a "consumer reporting agency." (I don't presently believe that CSC is a "consumer reporting agency.")

    If a user, or a consumer, pulls a report on a consumer from Equifax, where they claim CSC actually owns the data, what does the report say about the source of the data? Does it say it is from Equifax, or from CSC?

    As to "users," I have no reason to believe that Equifax falsely represents anything to its subscribers ("customers"). Every user that appears in the hard inquiry section of my file has informed me that it obtained my Equifax report. No user has confirmed its receipt of a CSC consumer report. This is a major reason why I question CSC's alleged status as a "consumer reporting agency." It is not the only reason.

    I know what you are getting at: Do the files that I receive from Equifax and/or CSC state "CSC file" or "Equifax file." The answer is NO. Good question--I gather that you are not a "CSC consumer."

    CSC disclosures and Equifax disclosures each state:

    "Thank you for requesting your credit file..."

    No portion of any file expressly identifies the file as a "CSC file" or an "Equifax file."

    In addition to the fact that CSC's return address appears on each and every file, there are subtle (or maybe not so subtle) representations that would cause a consumer to think that the file came from CSC. For example, each file states: "..please visit our website at www.csccredit.com..."

    The envelopes are all virtually IDENTICAL. None of them have a postmark and they only state "Tampa, FL" in the prepaid postage area.

    I have searched for nuances and really need to take a magnifying glass to each file before I can report more on this aspect.

    As I said above, the INQUIRY section is the dead giveaway.

    I have a question for "Equifax consumers." Do your Equifax files say "Equifax file" or anything that would alert you to the fact that you are unequivocally looking at an Equifax file?
     
  9. CAwatchdog

    CAwatchdog Well-Known Member

    That url to CSC's site has .... after it so that is why it does not work.

    Click on http://www.csccredit.com

    Try clicking on "National Credit Repository Contact Information"

    CSC is not a nationwide CRA.

    The telephone numbers provided for CSC and Equifax correspond to their "information line."

    I am not sure about the # for Experian, but that number for TU rings to a live operator.

    You cannot hyperlink that webpage or save it to your hard drive. Keep in mind that Computer Sciences Corporation is a large company, $16 billion annual revenue and 90,000 employees.
     
  10. lwparker

    lwparker New Member

    Iam having the same problem. I already filied a complaint with FTC and they are now requesting that I get a lawyer.
     
  11. Terry61

    Terry61 Member

    What these two do is an absolute travesty!!! An I have found differences in the files.I virtually dis not find this out until the other day.The hard copy of my says CSC.I live in Texas.My CSC report has two trade lines in the positive,however Equifax has them in the other section. Anyone who tries to tell you that the other section is neutral is lying.I called Equifax to complain and since I have had their 3-1 gold monitoring service for over a year I thought calling them would get it corrected immediately.The response I received flabbergasted me. I need to file a dispute with CSC against Equifax!!!! These files should be identical and another thing I learned through this is that CSC does not generate scores.So, if you are going for a mortgage loan and they all pull tri-merged reports, you are getting a Equifax file from Equifax.Even though you live in an area that CSC carries your file.Also anyone who has their monitoring service in a CSC state,nix it!!!! It is useless and horrible!!!!! They have also taken positive info off my file.
     
  12. ontrack

    ontrack Well-Known Member

    Whether they are listed under "positive" or "negative" depends on what criteria they use to classify them for your "consumer" version of your report. You can't depend on the accuracy of their machine generated "advice", which itself is not part of your credit file.

    What matters is whether the information is the same, and accurate, since that should determine how it ends up on a report sold to their users.
     

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