Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** Buckets, with all due respect (and that's a tired old phrase, but I really mean it), I don't think that's what's happening. If it were, you would notice many, many more messages in multiple threads, just constantly, etc., and frankly that wouldn't be very hard to coordinate. I just don't think an occasional mention evidences such behavior. Second, please quit talking about "vets" -- I resemble that remark, lol. More seriously, there are many people like myself who post on multiple boards, and that's just fine. Yet other long-time Creditnetters like George pretty much refuse to post anywhere else but Creditnet, and there are a few like him too. In fact, the number of Creditnet participants who have exclusively jumped ship is small. Moreover, I myself have recommended the boards at FindLaw (http://boards.lp.findlaw.com/) where real lawyers interact with consumers regarding such topics as "Consumer Rights," "Debt & Bankruptcy," and other relevant topics. Yet others recommend other boards too. Despite my FindLaw recommendation, I don't think anybody can say I'm not a serious Creditnet fan, lol! And finally, whatever happens on other boards is practically irrelevant to what happens here -- Creditnet is more popular than ever, with more messages being posted every day than ever before, lots of great discussion and debate about a variety of credit-related issues, and a huge stream of new members daily many of whom have or will develop expertise that will benefit us all. It's probably a compliment to Creditnet that so many participants do end up going off and begin their own sites -- as examples, Barry Noret left Creditnet (exclusively!) and began CreditMania, Bill Bauer began his Creditwrench site, Whyspers started that great ProSeLitigant.net site, Creditman started creditreportrights.com, and there have been others too, practically all of which got mentioned a bit here after they launched. The more, the merrier. Buckets, I rambled quite a bit (sorry), so here's my message in a sentence (and I fully recognize this is just my personal opinion): Quit worrying, Creditnet's fine, it's ok for other boards to emerge and be mentioned here (in fact, that's the tradition on this board), and I'd appreciate if you'd quit taking the "vets" label in vain, lol. Doc
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** When people are BASHED, and BASHED, and BASHED again for CORRECT INFORMATION POSTING because one person has a different idea...IT GETS OLD AND TIRING... Also lack of timely [TROLL] control... I can't for the life of me understand WHY so many people think because I have "NEVER BEEN THERE" (bad credit) I HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE HERE?!?!?!?!?!?
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** I have to agree with those that are for multiple boards and I don't think it will hurt Creditnet at all. There seems to be more activitiy here now then there was a few weeks ago when some "vets" left. All in all the more boards we have the more potential interaction of people working on credit issues.
Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** I have sat idle and watched this thread. It seems that many have problems with there being other sites with valuable information. This is about credit repair...not he said she said. CN has always been my main source of info, but if there are others out there who hold info on your particular need why not follow up. I had a question that no one on CN had an answer for, so I went to Creditboards and immediately received valuable info to help me with my situation. People are making this a personal issue when it really is not! The vets left for whatever reason they left, and because some of them have started a new site should not be cause for arguement or disdain just one more place to go for much needed info...that's ALL! I am glad that all the sites that have helped me are out there. Thank you CreditBoards and CN!! Oh yeah, censorship is BS in any form!
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** Do I need to take a gun and blow my brains out? (Ok, nobody worry, I'm not being serious.) "The vets" did not leave. "Some vets" left. "Other vets" stayed. "Yet other vets" (like me) post in multiple places. Can we quit grouping everybody together? Thanks! Doc
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** PsychDoc, thank you for your well thought out reply. And there is no need to apologize for rambling. I've always respected your opinion. Frankly, I personally get a little peeved when I see the likes of Breeze and LKH telling people that they can find better cooperation and better solutions elsewhere. I do not have problem with Breeze and/or LKH personally and nor do I have a problem with people who frequent other discussion groups or bulletin boards. To me it is akin to getting a second opinion from a doctor. But I personally believe a line needs to be drawn if they ONLY urge others to visit "their" board when they do post here (especially when they use words like "we" and "our") and don't contribute to this board. Remember, before some of the veterans left, there wasn't much tolerance for those who advertised companies or products on this board. I guess in this case I personally don't see the difference. If you want to read the articles here, fine. If you want to contribute to the discussion here, fine. But I draw the line if I feel someone has an ulterior motive. I don't think the people who now regularly contribute this board started the so-called civil war; I think it was the other way around. If a person wants to tout the virtues of "their" board and don't want to contribute and help the people here, then they should purchase a advertising space on this board. Buckets
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** Just an example of getting good help at more than one board, I posted a problem on cardreport, sent an email to Why Chat with a quick reply, posted the same on creditboard, saw doc was online, and asked him same question also with a speedy response. posted here as well and got several responses. It's good to get help WHEREVER it comes from!! CN has always been behind the other boards, and encouraged help from any and all sources.
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** Well Doc, there is another aspect to this that you and I have touched on from time to time in various emails and that is marketing and while just about all of us decry spam, commercialism and all the rest of that "junk" there is something to be said for it. First of all, it is a necessary evil that we can never escape so we might just as well use it to the max even if in a very different way than what some folks my be already starting to roll their eyes heavenward about. I do a lot of marketing, far more than most of you realize and in some very innovative ways and as a result its getting a bit tough to do a search on the search engines using any search term dealing with credit or debt and not come up with me or my website or my message board. And all in just over a year. And no, I'm not just tooting my horn some more I'm bringing a point that I know is valid and useful. Creditnet has been around for a long time now so its natural they get a lot of attention too but not near enough to help the majority of those out there needing what we have here and what other similiar message boards have to offer in the way of help either free or paid for. It is a well known fact among the professional marketers that linking can and does help bring in massive traffic to all who actively pursue it. Effective marketers realize that a visitor to his website is not going to stay there forever. The visitor is going to leave and how long he stays is going to depend on content. So since he is going to leave anyway then why not have him leave by clicking on a link leading to another such website as his own or to a link that will be seen as helpful to the visitor. What we see today amongst those of us who are also moderators of other boards is a strong rivalry over whose board is the best and why all the other boards are so bad. The new one we are talking about is getting hammered to some extent over technical problems they may not have fully realized existed and they are doing the very best they can to fix them as fast as they can. They are certainly to be commended for that, of course. But attracting the attention of the newbies out there so they get the help they need as well as attracting quality and knowledgeable new participants is what its all about. And no matter how much we hate marketing we are all salespersons bar none. Even the housewife who never worked a day in her life "sold" herself to her husband who is her sole means of support. Even the "average joe" who swings a lunch bucket while going to his daily 9 to 5 as a janitor or a highly skilled factory worker has to sell himself to his bosses every day of his life for if he didn't he would not long be swinging that lunch bucket. So like it or not we have to sell and one of the ways of selling on the internet is links to other sites. Its one of the most effective ways out there and many sites are linked together into what are called "webrings" in order to accomplish just that. There are now more than enough message boards out there for that to happen and I say its way past time that the petty arguments over whose board is best and why our visitors should not be visiting those other dumb boards has got to come to an end and we have got to start cooperating if we are to help the maximum number of people possible. And yes, I've been just as guilty or more so than many others. But its time to change all of that and start cooperating instead of bickering. As usual. Providing links back and forth is one of the things we can do to further our goals.
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** Bill, you've been an online friend of mine for years now, so I hope you'll take this as a good-natured jab. :ducking: And with that, I will help everybody by turning on my exclusive "Bill Bauer Translation Machine" (©2003, PsychDoc): Code: [b][size=2][color=blue]IN ENGLISH, BILL BAUER'S PREVIOUS POST MEANS:[/b][/size][size=1] [i]Cross-linking to other sites is a good thing which benefits everyone.[/i][/size][/color] Man, that gadget works so well! Maybe somebody needs to invent a translation machine for my posts too. Doc
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** Sorry to make you grab the gun Doc...I was not implying that ALL the vets left, but those who did, left for their own reasons...my point that was obscurred was that info from more than one place is a good thing! I personally am sick of all the pettiness, as I said before these boards are for credit help...not all the other BS that has been going around...PERIOD! This is not meant to offend, just one opinion of many. Something that seems to offend. Through the help of many "vets" and non-vets I have acheived much from the knowledge present on this board...That is what matters to me, none of the rest is worthwhile...a waste of energy and thought. I have tried to share what I have learned with those newer than myself, that I think is the whole point of these boards: to learn, repair and pass the kowledge!
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** Why ban posters like thekid then?. There is a need to draw a line somewhere. These self banned vets crib about how slow the servers are, admins, newbies,trools and just about everything under the sun and cite that as a reasons for them leaving the board. If the board is not good enough for them to post why advertise on that board?. I have no intention to get into this mire and stayed away from it all these days but its time of people to speakup and stop this crap once and for all. Who are all these guys who "have been reading for months" but just decided to post and only posts they come up with are advertisements for poorly managed websites.
Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** Ok, I'm going to stick my .02 in again. I see people on this thread that have only been here for a short time complaining about other boards being mentioned here. Why complain? Use the search function and STILL learn from those that are no longer here. Those people that are gone helped me buy a house and for that I am eternally grateful, They command alot of my respect. I have also learned alot from those that are still here, for those I am thankful. THE BOTTOM LINE Alot of "older posters' aka vets(sorry Doc) helped contribute a ton to this board, were disrespected by the folks that run this board, and due to that, decided not to come back, and none of those that left permanently have come back to "plug"another board. They left, they are gone because of their principals. I can bet you that some of the new members here doing the complaining would have done the same thing as those that left. Sorry about the rant. WALLST
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Fo Gee desrman, It's sure funny that YOU wanted on that board so bad that you signed up for it three different times. And as to poorly managed website, I beg to differ with your opinion, it is very well run and setup. You received help regarding the issue. You were freely allowed to sign up, I know for a fact that there is no censorship as to who will be allowed to join. Are you sure it's just not your "poorly managed brain" that cannot figure out how to follow instructions as to how to complete sign up? If you had no intention as to getting into this mire, why did you even say anything. It has been pointed out that it is CN's policy to allow references to other boards. When you become moderator for this board or any other, please feel free to run it how you choose. Until then let the whole thing drop. And by the way, my signature has been up for all to see since the day it started.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: **FYI: Other Forum** Would you please point out for me where I ever said anything like what you just posted. I NEVER said people could find better cooperation and better solutions elsewhere, although, by some of the answers given to peoples questions here lately, it may be true. But do not say I said something when I did NOT.
Chill Pills for Everyone! Don't know about you, but my time investment on the internet on credit forums is to repair my credit. CreditNet is a great forum and has taught me how to start in that direction. Before I started reading the posts, I was extremely depressed about my financial situation. I posted the other board as just an FYI to anyone who is interested. The more info - the better. It was not to start an electronic fracas of any kind. Okay - everyone over to my place for margaritas, a few brewsky and some fajitas. We need some serious relaxation here. To paraphrase Rodney King - 'can't we all just electronically get along" Peace and Love. JTrain
Chill Pills for Everyone! Can I have mine frozen with lots of salt? I'll bring the homemade salsa verde!
