GOP takes Senate

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man."

Samuel Adams

 

The top 3 richest people in office are billionaires and they are republicans. Bloomberg is the richest. I think he is worth 2.3 billion... I'm not saying that repubs are the only ones, I am just saying that they hold the top 3 spots on the rich-ter scale.

 

You are darn right. I see foreign and domestic as 2 separate issues. I think with as much taxation as there is on everything, Americans and those who want to be should be able to go to the doctor when they are sick.

I don't think that those who need help getting access to health care are deadbeats. In fact, the ones who need the help the most are working their butts off. Businesses don't want to give their employees coverage anymore because it is too expensive which leaves the financial burden on working families. That, to me, doesn't make any sense.

 

I think this is a dangerously generalization. Democrats get votes from deadbeats on welfare then? Come on!

Since Bush came into office, everyone I know of have lost their jobs. Sure if you want to flip burgers, it's a wonderful world.

There are many dems, repubs, and 3rd party people who are having a hard time making ends meet. What you have described applies to some people across party lines.

 

Yes but domestically we were in turmoil. I am still waiting on my Star Wars project to be finished.

 

Yes we pay too much in taxes but the rich don't pay anything. Those who have more than others pay and regular joes pay.

The problem comes from the type of politicians we elect. We have told them that it's ok to spend 70 million dollars on a campaign to get elected for a job that supposedly doesn't pay that much. What are they spending that type of money for? By the way, that was a dem in Texas. We have told them it's ok to be elected by saying catch phrase sayings without any substance through the 6 o'clock news by giving them our votes. Isn't it a shame that we have to choose the lesser of the two evils?

The whole reason that goverment exists is because it is supposed to give us services and organization that we wouldn't be able to do ourselves. It's turned into this money hungry monster filled with lobbyists, red tape, and insincerity. For example, Newt Gingrich was sleeping around on his sick wife while he was badgering Clinton about his extramarital affair. At least Hilary wasn't sick. lol

So with all of this beaurocracy that we pay for like lifetime paychecks and health care for people in office, I think that the citizens deserve services as well.

 

Thanks Melissa. I agree with how you have accessed the repubs. They are a tightknit group. No matter what they do, it wasn't wrong. Democrats just aren't that organized in circling the wagons.

:-D

 

Amazing, how otherwise capable people become snarling, smirking assbites as soon as certain issues come up.

Substitute the word "partisan" for the word "fan," the word "politics" for the word "sports," and the phrase "political party" for the word "team," and this about sums it up:

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By the way, just for the record, North Korea had been accumulating nuclear material since before Clinton got into office (during 12 consecutive years of Republican presidents), and had nuclear capability as early as 1994. But don't let a few facts get in the way of self-congratulation and partisan vituperation.

 

Hey, whatever gets you guys out of bed in the morning...

wajaba

 

Bunter,

Very astute observations, as always

This is definitely an "away" game for us...

wajaba

 

Has milkmom and lb became the same person??

Dani

 

REALLY?? How much do you actually PAY? Do you sit down and write a check to the IRS every year?

Here's the data released for calendar year 2000. Includes ALL income, not just wages, excluding Social Security.

ALL Federal Income Taxes Paid in The United States:

Top 5% of wage earners paid: 56.47%
Top 10% of wage earners paid: 67.3%
Top 50% of wage earners paid: 96.09%

Less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50%

The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%!
The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.91% of all income taxes.

The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income covered under the income tax, are paying 37.42% of the federal tax bite.

The so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.

 

This is rather pathetic. And very naive.

What, if we don't have the capabality to defend ourselves and destroy another agressor we will be safe? Our FEELINGS rule our intellect? You head is positioned over your heart for a reason. Its so you use it to govern over your emotions not the other way around.

And the nuclear build-up was going on long before Reagan. Ever hear of the Cuban Missle crisis? Your Democrat JFK was in office at the time. Was that Reagan's fault? Maybe we should have stayed home and not fought the second world war cuz war is bad....And then we wouldn't have been at odds with the Soviets

Everyone in the would would be speaking German.

As for others cheating while in office, sure they probably did. It goes with power. But Clintion did it in The Office. His act was a slap in the face to all the Office stood for . Reagan never entered the Oval Office without wearing a suit jacket He respected and revered that office. Clinton defiled it.

I remember Nakita Khrushchev pounding his shoe on the table at the UN saying he would take this country without firing a single shot. Well, Clinton and his gang have done their best to make that possible.

Many of up are happy with the election results because we see this as possibly the last chance to get this country back its proper course.

Some of us have had enough of the girlie men in the Democratic party who have no balls.

 

Good post, Hermit.

Not to mention what happens when we turn the other cheek (hoping the threat of war or terror goes away).

I grew up during the 1980s and I remember Reagan as a President who did not take war lightly. I think he was one of the few that did not get the U.S. involved with any foreign war during his term.

Clinton I remember as a President who only got us involved with wars that had nothing to do with our country, but ignored signs of terror and the killing of innocent Americans.

Dani

 

Sad that there is a whole generation of people now who see everything through the lens of sports.

Some of us are happy with the election results because we have had enough of the self-destructive ways of the left. Government programs and welfare don't do a whole lot for the dignity of the individual and individuation.

 

Uh, Dani, you mean he was one of the few that maybe did not directly wage war during his term, right? I, too, grew up during the 80's, and I seem to recall our not-so-indirect involvement in one such conflict.

wajaba

 

I remember being in Fourth Grade, when we were being handed our heads at the end of Vietnam and having my Fourth Grade teacher, good commie liberal whose every word was Gospel to a ten year old, explain to us how the Commies were going to "domino" across the Pacific, and before you know it, they be landing in California, and they'll take over the US. Since I grew up in the San Diego area, that meant us first. I was totally convinced for the rest of my childhood, and well into my teen years, that I would never get to grow up. Long before then, I would be killed by the Russkies, along with everyone and everything I loved.

Fast forward to 1989. The Lovely Mrs. Quixote and I were newly married. We sat in our first apartment and watched on TV as the Berlin Wall fell. I remember sharing with my new bride how unbelievably happy I was that our future child or children would never know the fear that I did. The uncertainty that I would ever get a chance to grow up and live my life.

When Clinton, (I can't bring myself to call him President) sold out many of our most valuable nuclear secrets to the Chinese Gov't in exchange for campaign money, when he gave the North Korean gov't two nuclear reactors in exchange for their worthless promise to abandon their nuclear program, he put that uncertainty back into our world. Into my daughter's life. I will never forgive him for that. I will never forgive the democrats for defending his actions.

I have a long memory for these things. I won't buy anything that says Toshiba on it, because back in the late 80's, in the thick of the Cold War, Toshiba decided to sell the closely guarded secrets of our nuclear submarines silent propellers to the Soviets. When they were caught, instead of admitting guilt and paying the penalties, they hired a bunch of high priced lobbyists who spread a bunch of money among the leading Democrats in Congress, and so nothing was done.

I used to think that Democrats were merely the opposition. That they were good solid Americans who just saw the world a little differently than I do. And I still think that that used to be true. I used to think President Carter was a Good Man who I disagreed with. Same for Senator Bob Kerry, and Senator Sam Nunn. It wouldn't have pleased me, but it wouldnâ??t have scared me if either of those two Senators had been elected President somewhere along the way.

Not anymore. All three lost all credibility with me when they rushed to the defense of President Criminal. As far as I am concerned, the defenders of a traitor are traitors.

The only Democrat I have any respect for, though I completely disagree with him on many issues, is Senator Joe Lieberman. At least he had the character to call a criminal a criminal.

 

LOL, what's sad is that you aren't able to understand the meaning of the analogy I drew. I'll help you out: the point of the analogy is to show that partisans, such as yourself, treat politics in the same way that a rabid sports fan relates to his or her sports team. And that, my friend, is saddest of all, because politics deserves better. Who cares if the Yankees win or lose a baseball game -- seldom does anyone die as a result of it. But people die as a result of politics all the time. And yet, here in this thread, I see a bunch of people mouthing off about subjects on which they are, at best, half-educated, in some cases a lot less than half, much like a drunken fan might yell at the other team from the safety of the stands.

It's OK to read a sports page and think you understand a given sport, because in the end your ignorance is harmless. But it's dangerous as hell to listen to Rush Limbaugh, or read the National Review or CNN and think you are now qualified to pass judgment on world events. But as I said before, leave the facts out of it. They just get in the way.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled cheerleading session.