Help with Debt Settlement

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by monicagee, Sep 22, 2001.

  1. monicagee

    monicagee Well-Known Member

    Just some additional information from the previous posting with the same subject.
    The original creditor has the balance as $6374 and the judgement amount is $5474. Is there any reason why the two amounts are different for the same information?

    By the way I an a newbie and like what I see here. The information has been more then helpful
     
  2. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    Monica,

    Before you do anything, go here:
    http://www.lawdog.com/state/laws.htm

    select your state; then click on "automobiles and repossession"; in the upper right hand corner, select the red box that says "repossession"; if your state has specific laws regarding repossession, they will be on the page that comes up.

    Many states have strict laws about what can and cannot be done, laws that the creditor has to follow, and some have laws stating that no one can make you pay anything after the vehicle has been repossessed and sold. It is important for you to understand your state's laws, if there are any.

    After you do this, come back and tell us what you found out and ask questions. In other words, you may not have to pay anything, so don't start calling them offering to settle just yet.
     
  3. bbauer

    bbauer Banned

    All Good points, Breeze, but she also needs to check to see what is the max amount of interest allowed in her state by law for judgements. That can be different too and if the rate is greater than that allowed by law, she can attack the judgement itself and have it overturned.

    I could also pull the judgement itself and see if we can't find other reasons to attack it
     
  4. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    Bill, this person is new. One thing at a time. Let's see if they were entitled to a judgment in the first place.
     
  5. monicagee

    monicagee Well-Known Member

    Thanks Breeze for the link.

    The state is Louisiana and I am not sure that I have the original document I signed to surrender the vehicle. Not sure if there was a statement for the creditor for full reservation of deficiency rights.

    Should I call the original creditor to request a copy of voluntary surrender agreement?

    I also have a copy of the judgement which states the the interest rate of 15.5% per annum from March 8, 1997 until paid.

    Where do I go from here?
     
  6. bbauer

    bbauer Banned

    Breeze:
    That's what I am trying to do is to see if there is a valid judgement in the first place.

    Her last post stating 15++% interest is very likely more than allowed by the state for interest on a judgement.

    That would be the first thing to check on I would think. See if that's a legal interest rate and see if they charged her attorney's fees on top of that.

    Usurious interest or charging attorney's fees on top of it is illegal anywhere and is grounds for reversal of the judgement
     
  7. monicagee

    monicagee Well-Known Member

    The judgement states as follows:

    "This is due from the defendant, the principle sum of $5474.66, plus accured interest of $402.60, with the interest at the rate of 15.5% per annum from March 8, 1997 until paid, plus 25% of the principle and interest as attorney' fees and for alls of these proceedings, all subject to a credit of $0.00."

    How should I move forward for settlement and with who? On the CR the amount $6374 is reported by the original creditor, a CA and $5474 on the judgement.
     
  8. bbauer

    bbauer Banned

    You definitely do not need to be thinking about settling on a judgement that is null and void upon it's face.

    What you want to do is to fight the judgement by first of all going to the court house or pulling the judgement on line and see if there are any documents which claim to be affidavits.
    You would probably find an affidavit of service of the summons, but that's usually in good shape and not to be worried about. What you want to look for is other affidavits. If there are no afidavits, you were never sued to start off with.

    Don't even think about settling yet. Looks like the chances are pretty great that you don't even have a valid judgement against you.

    You need to look into this much more closely and see what the facts are before you go paying them off. You might not even owe them a dime.
     
  9. bbauer

    bbauer Banned

    The legal rate of interest in Louisiana is 14%.
    So right there, it looks like the 15.9 is above that allowed by Louisiana law.
    Whether or not that rate also applies to judgements is not clearly stated, but I would tend to think so. You might have to ask a lawyer about that.

    If that is indeed also true for judgements in Louisiana, then the judgement is a legal nullity to start off with and cannot be enforced upon you.

    On top of that, your post states that they are charging you attorney's fees on top of the judgement and that is not allowed either. They cannot charge you attorney fees on a judgement and get away with it unless you let them.

    I think you have a winner. And even more so if you have no affidavits.
     
  10. monicagee

    monicagee Well-Known Member

    Thanks bbauer for you help!

    I currently live in another state, no longer in Louisiana. How would I pull the judgement online and what other avenues other than taking a trip to the courthouse do I have?
     
  11. bbauer

    bbauer Banned

    You can use pacer to pull it if you want to sign up with them. If not, I can pull it for you if I have the case number, but don't post that here. Send it to me by email if you want me to pull it for you
     
  12. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

  13. bbauer

    bbauer Banned

    You can get the info online, but in the end, you would have to make a trip or two back there to do the filing or get an attorney to do it for you, which is what you really should do anyway. You would want to get all the facts together, all the arguments and then try to find an attorney there who would handle the actual court work for you.

    If you don't have it all lined up and ready to go file, you will probably not be able to find an atttorney willing to do the leg work necessary to go up against the system.

    Likely to be tough anyway, but I think I know some people down there who can find you one.
    MAYBE!!!
    No promises on that one.
     
  14. monicagee

    monicagee Well-Known Member

    I will try with pacer first. If that does not work for me then I will send you an email. How do I contact them?
     
  15. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    You have to register for PACER and wait for the password to arrive via snail mail before you can use anything but the free services - LA does not offer the free services via PACER. I requested PACER authorization and password about 2 weeks ago, still have not received my password. If Bill has it, let him get it for you. Otherwsie you should call the clerk of court and ask them to send you copies of the documents in your file - they will charge you for that.
     
  16. bbauer

    bbauer Banned

    No, I think your URL is more accurate than mine because it deals with the judgements portion.

    The one I used just gives legal interest rates for the states, but not specifically the legal rate for judgements.

    Thanks for your input. Obviously better than the one I used, and so that makes it even more certain that we are dealing with a void judgement.

    Thanks again.
     
  17. breeze

    breeze Well-Known Member

    Yeah, she should be able to get this one vacated, and if she gets a copy of the original loan agreement she can fight any other attempt to get a judgment (if LA allows them to go for another one after one has been vacated).
     
  18. bbauer

    bbauer Banned

    Breeze:

    I'm no better off than you. Matter of fact, you will likely get yours before I get mine.
     
  19. bbauer

    bbauer Banned

    breeze:

    Here is the link I used for the interest.

    I wouldn't post it in view of the fact that yours proved to be much better, but it's always good to have different resources, so here goes, for what it's worth????

    http://www.lectlaw.com/files/ban02.htm
     
  20. monicagee

    monicagee Well-Known Member

    Okay my fellow Credit Heroes, what is my next step here, how do I get it vacated? You both have been great.

    Monica
     

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