Highest score with 1 derog..

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Alex_I, Apr 18, 2002.

  1. Alex_I

    Alex_I Well-Known Member

    I am wondering what is the highest score anyone was able to achieve with 1 derog on the file..

    I am trying to figure out if I would be able to break the 700 barrier with 1 settled account with MBNA (coded as R1) dating back to 3/99.. The reason I am asking is because I will apply for a mortgage in 2 months and I am worried that disputing the paid settlement might result in re-aging of the account and thus adversely affect my scores..

    Right now, with high utilization balance on 2 credit cards, my score is 667 EQ, 657 EX and 709 TU.. These scores were pulled 3 months ago when I had a lot of inquiries on EX, EQ.. By end of this month, no file will have more than 2 inquiries and all accounts will be at zero balance...

    So here is my scenario:

    EQ: 667 - reasons 1 and 4 relate to "serious delinquency" .. reasons 2, 3 are number of inquires and balances.. So if I reasons 2, and 3 are taken care of, any chance for a score greater than 700..

    EX: 657 - reason 1 "serious delinquency" .. reason 2 is number of inquires.. reason 3 is number of accounts opened in past 3 years.. Reason 4 is balances.. So if I reasons 2, and 4 are taken care of, any chance for a score greater than 700..

    TU: 709 - No mention at all to the settled account or to delinquencies as a score factor.. 2 of the reasons relate to High balances and number of cards with balances.. So hopefully this one will be higher when the cards are paid...

    My accounts date back to 1991 (9 bank accounts and 2 retail accounts)

    Any input...
     
  2. Keller

    Keller Well-Known Member

    Alex, I am a Real Estate Consultant, NOT a mortgage underwriter, but maybe I can help a little. What is the purchase price of the home? What type of loan are you trying to get? FHA, Conventional, etc? Do you have a checking acct., savings acct., both? What are you going to put down? Oh, and where do you live? Your scores look decent.
     
  3. Alex_I

    Alex_I Well-Known Member

    Keller,

    Thanks for the offer.. I don't expect to have much problems getting the loan, hopefully, but I just wanted to be in the best possible position..

    The only other derog I have on my file is a collection with RMA that shows only on EXP.. It's unpaid ($700) and dates to 3/99 as well.. They never contacted me about it and it is last reported on 6/2000... so since it's only reported on 1 file, I didn't want to touch it till after the SOL is over.. (4 years in TX, so 3/2003) .. If the loan underwriter will require me to pay it then I will...

    The house price is about 180K.. My gross income is about 80K.. This is in Houston.. I am considering going with an 80/20 combo loan... Just paying closing fees.. I have both a checking and a saving accts with about 10k available..
     
  4. Keller

    Keller Well-Known Member

    Alex, I'm in Houston, too! :eek:) Cinco Ranch area, originally from Humble/Kingwood & we are about to move back. . .homesick. . .I-10 traffic (yuk!), etc.

    BACK TO YOU. . .

    It's hard to say about the derog account. It "would" be a gamble to dispute it, you're right.

    I would venture to guess that your scores are borderline, between "okay/good" and "even better". A more "seasoned" Creditnetter could better answer that.

    Are you building a new home? If so, are you using their lender? The reason I'm asking is because although, you might think that they are offering you incentives to use them (i.e., pay part of closing costs, pay your title insurance, etc.) it "does" limit you to ONE company to choose from.

    Have you already talked to a morgage broker? Have they already pulled your credit report, etc?

    There is a girl that I do business with and they are a great mortgage broker company to work with. It never hurts to compare. (BTW, I don't get a "kick-back" or anything from her, they are just extremely client oriented and I like to work with her.) It really doesn't hurt to call around and see who can offer you what. I know some companies will even match what the builder's mortgage company will offer. "Her" company has. I have had clients who have switched after mortgage application has been submitted because another company offers more. Make them COMPETE! :eek:) Different lenders have different criteria that they use to ultimately score you by. Some lenders are a little more lenient, while, of course, others, more strict. Everyone has different needs and they'll find the best deal for you! Plus, she's super sweet! I felt so intimidated when I got my first mortgage! She makes you feel at ease. I'd be happy to give you her name and number, if you're interested.
    We are basically in the same situation that you are in. I have been doing research on FICO and other scores to try and figure them out. YEAH, RIGHT! At any rate, here is some info that I keep for a basic reminder. I got it off of MortgageExpo.com Can't really give a recommendation on the site. I only visited it once.

    The following are some factors that affect your FICO score:

    Short credit history
    Payment delinquencies
    Maximum credit balances
    Too many -- or too few -- open accounts
    Too many -- or to few -- revolving accounts
    No recent credit card balances* Too many recent inquiries* Tax liens, judgments and bankruptcies.

    Your FICO Score My Affect the Terms of Your Loan

    In addition to getting approved, your FICO score could affect the type of loan program you are eligible for, as well as the terms of your loan. Some lenders reduce points on a loan for higher FICO scores, while others add points for lower scores. When they review your loan application, underwriters consider many factors beyond your FICO score. They may request additional documentation, and may even view your FICO score differently if you make a large down payment, have a low debt-to-income ratio, and show a consistent history of saving.

    Mortgage companies smile upon people who, after down payment and closing costs, have at least 2 months of mortgage payments in reserve. Looks like you probably will.

    Sorry this is so long-winded. A lot of this is "basic" and information you may have already known, but maybe it will help others who read this thread.

    Keller
     
  5. Alex_I

    Alex_I Well-Known Member

    Keller,

    It is interesting that you are in Houston too.. The house that I may buy is in Cinco Ranch area :)

    I know that my scores are kind of borderline for a good mortgage rate.. That's why I didn't want to waste a hard inquiry to get a pre-approval or pre-qulaification from a lender yet.. Most probably I will do so some time next month when I know that the my credit files are updated to reflect the minimal or zero account balnaces.. Hopefully my scores would be around 700 at that time..

    I think I will be buying a new house.. I haven't discussed what the builder offers in term of getting the financing through them since I really prefer to have some flexibility in that regard.. I contacted couple of brokers and got a good faith estimate from them regarding the rates and closing costs based on my approximate FICO score but didn't have them run my credit yet...

    I may be signing a purchase contract within a month or so with the buidler if I reach the price I want.. Let me ask you a question.. It seems that the typical builder's contract has a clause that I should apply for financing within 5 days (or 3 days) from signing the contract.. Does it apply even that the house won't be ready till at least 5 months down the road?
    Can I ask for that clause to be removed before signing the contact? I am just wondering since I may reach a deal on the house before actually being ready to get my pre-approval.. I know that there won't be a financial contingency in the contract and I will lose my earnest money I backed out of the deal for any reason but I think I will take that risk..

    Thanks
     
  6. Keller

    Keller Well-Known Member

    The answer to your question is, No. They just want you to start pursuing the financing because they don't want to be sitting on a house and paying the interim financing because your loan isn't ready and they can't close on it. A lot of people aren't like us, in that we "look" at our credit BEFORE we go to obtain a loan. Society doesn't look at their own credit. For some reason they let everyone else do it, though.

    I would just continue to do what you are doing. When you get your credit to where you want it to be, then apply. However, you can start shopping NOW. Call around and see what other companies will do for you. You have a pretty good idea of what your scores are going to look like. Worse case scenario, they stay the same, which isn't too bad. You'll end up paying a little more depending on the lender. If, after you sign a contract, the builder starts questioning you about whether you've got your financing down or not. Just tell them, "Yes, I'm working on it".

    I would go ahead and interview companies now so that you'll already have one picked out when you're ready. Also, they CAN pre-approve you without pulling a "hard inquiry" on your credit. Just like those credit card promos that you get in the mail. Ask them for a Pre-Approval letter to give the builder, if the builder starts hounding you before you're truly ready. All they do is ask you what you make, what's the sales price, how much are you planning on putting down, and what other debt do you owe that will not be paid off in 10 months or less. They don't pull a hard inquiry on your credit. As a matter of fact, if you just want to make yourself feel better, tell them not to. I am going to give you the name and number to the girl I was telling you about. Even if you don't end up using them, it'll get you started in the right direction and she'll answer all of your questions. Just give her the scenario and be honest. That's what I did. I told her that I had some things that I needed to fix on my credit and that I was shooting for 750 FICO. At the time, I didn't realize that 750 is really high. 700 - 715 will be just fine for me. I should still be able to get the best interest rate available. I am going "No Doc" on my loan, so I really need good scores to get a good rate.

    Also, she mentioned that if I didn't get my scores exactly where I wanted them, to keep my payments down to where I want them, I might want to do an ARM and then, when my scores are EXCELLENT in 2 to 3 years, re-finance. :eek:) I'll probably do that. ARM interests rates have been known to drop in the high 5's this year!! You can't beat that! I know that my scores and my finances (God willing), are only going to get better in the future, so this is something I am going to consider.

    You might think about doing something like that as well. Depending on how long you're going to live in this home. You can run scenarios by her and she'll give you the best options available. Her name is Candi Beasley. The name of the company is Home Mortgages. Her phone number is 713-782-3131.
     
  7. Keller

    Keller Well-Known Member

    I am sure your contract says something along these lines: Within 3 days from the date of this contract purchaser shall apply for a mortgage loan blah, blah, blah. . . seeking terms which are reasonable within the relevant market at the time. Blah, blah, blah . . . There's your way out . If you can't qualify for the "reasonable" terms, then you can elect to void the contract. Let me clarify myself since this is a public forum. If your scores aren't high enough to get the best current market interest rates, then it's not considered "reasonable terms". Since the word "reasonable" can mean different things depending upon who you talk to, in a real estate contract the term (usually) means, current market rates. I "have" learned not to make blanket statements. I've had to eat my words before. :eek:)

    I have some other info that I wanted to send you. Your email isn't active. If you'll email me, I'll get back with you.
     

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