Is this a Cap 1 "scam"?

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by cyana, Apr 2, 2003.

  1. cyana

    cyana Well-Known Member

    Hi

    I've been sitting on two Cap 1 unsecured offers, one Platinum Visa, one Platinum MC, both 14.9% fixed APR, 0% thru Sept, $59 annual fee. I read both good things and bad things about this card. Since the offers haven't expired yet I haven't responded to either. Yesterday, a friend was having lunch with me and saw the Cap 1 offers on my kitchen table. She and husband have a joint acct with Cap 1 (not a "No hassle card" so I think it's Cap 1's subprime offer). She advised me not to get this card because besides the annual fee Cap 1 charges a $5 month fee even if you don't have a balance. I thought "WTF... it doesn't say anything about charging a fee in their acct info that I received with my Cap 1 offers".

    Sure enough, probably because I hadn't responded to the offers yet, a Cap 1 representative called me this morning and said, blah,blah ,blah (extolling the virtues of their card) said that once the yearly fee of $59 was paid there would be a $5/month maintenance fee. I said no thanks to her. After I got off the phone I reread all the info that came with the offers and no where does it state that there will be a maintenance fee. Is this a recent change - or will it be buried in the ultra fine print I will receive if I "bite" and receive a card because the info I received says under item 9 of the "offer Conditions" that "Full details with be mailed to you upon approval"? Certainly lessens the value of a 14.9% fixed APR.

    I have a new Providian card with a $2000 CL and an old BOA "Prime Card" that I still can use with a $3700 CL. I'm about to apply for a Household Bank Master Card.


    What I don't know at the moment whether the credit rebuilding aspects of having a Cap 1 card (even though Cap 1 doesn't report high CL) outweighs the cost of the card/maintenance fee and would really like more input.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. thetravele

    thetravele Well-Known Member

    I had a cap1 with a 14.9 and a $6 monthly charge. I called then and asked them to waive the fee and they said they charge a fee because they "offer other services like additional cards." I canceled the card.

    The only way I can see paying the fee is if you have no other CC and need to establish a credit history. If you do get the card they only report the highest credit usage.
     
  3. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    Some cards have ANNUAL FEES...some don't...I HAVE NONE THAT CHARGE ANNUAL FEES EXCEPT THE AIRLINE CARDS.
     
  4. ficofightr

    ficofightr Well-Known Member

    I had a Cap 1 MC and VISA. I paid the $6 every month on each card and used them for awhile. My limit was $300 and they never increased it. I asked once about 12 months in they said no. I should've asked every 6 months.

    My main purpose was to build some positive tradlines while I was disputing some identity theft stuff, and some of my own baddies. After a little over two years I cancelled the cards.

    If you don't mind paying the $6 and want the positive TL's, it's worth it. If you can afford to get a $200-300 secured card, you'll end up paying less in terms of fees.... but I don't know if lenders like or care seeing the "secured" on your CR or not??? I wasn't sure at the time and wanted to have an unsecured card so I went with Cap 1.

    From having a ton of identity theft stuff on my CR, including some legitimate derogs of my own, my FICO went from low 500's to 640-660 now. I think when I get my credit utilization lower (80% now) I can truly get it 680+. I'm hoping to get a mortgage later this year!

    So Cap 1 was a means to an end for me.
     
  5. cyana

    cyana Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the input; I've decided to pass - for now at least. I just can't believe Cap 1 says nothing in the literature that comes with their offers. At this time, I don't need positive trade-lines that desperately because I have a long credit history with an average of 15 positives and five negatives and of course, the mother of all baddies a C7 bk filed in late August 2002. Three of five baddies don't say included in bk and two do.

    That's why I can't get many offers with $0 fee, George. My Providian card is the only new offer I've received with no fees. My "prime" BOA card still carries an APR of 9.9% - with no annual fee. I don't know how long that rate will last though, possibly until BOA pulls the next A/R, then BOA might bump me up to their default APR of 22.9% for seven or eight months. I've always used my CC's sparingly. I am going to apply for the Household Bank card with a $35 annual fee today and a possibly a Target Guest Card and a small personal loan in the next couple of weeks.
     
  6. SoParkDiva

    SoParkDiva Well-Known Member

    That's strange. I have Cap1 and my annual fee is $39 with no monthly fee. In fact I have no interest because I pay my balance off every month leaving me with 0% interest fees. Ok I realize this does not make me a valuable customer because they can't make any interest off me but I do plan to leave a small balance next month so they can have a "nibble." :)
     
  7. reddevil

    reddevil Well-Known Member

    I got a Cap 1 card about 9 months after filing C13. It has a zero percent rate through late summer, and 14.9 afterwards, $59 annual fee, no monthly fees. If there's nothing in the information you received about a fee, there shouldn't be one. You can call up about those cards without necessarily taking them. I grilled them for 10 minutes before I took this one.
     
  8. Atiyana

    Atiyana Well-Known Member

    that's strange... i have a cap1 plat with NO annual fee and NO monthly fee.... i don't get it...

    maybe they are going off of the credit reports when they make diff offers?????
     
  9. SoParkDiva

    SoParkDiva Well-Known Member

    Well my cap1 is subprime, secured card. Maybe that's the difference.
     
  10. cyana

    cyana Well-Known Member

    This *may* be their policy for newer accounts because when the Cap 1 rep called me yesterday she definitely stated that there would be a $5 "maintenance fee" and a $59 annual fee. I have received two mail offers - one "platinum" visa and one platinum mc. Both offers included the $59 annual fee but didn't say a word about the maintenance fee. Some people have renegotiated their annual fee to half or less when their card(s) come up for renewal but that's it. And apparently Cap 1 discontinued their semi-secured ($99 for a $500 CL) card a couple of months ago. That's the offer I was more interested in.

    I don't need/want a high limit CL at this stage of my credit rebuilding, just some new tradelines. But $5/month on top of $59 annual fee is just not worth it YET (subject to later reconsideration) because I have so many positive tradelines already. If I need more new positive tradelines I think I'd prefer an American Pacific Bank Secured card (I have an application).
     
  11. SoParkDiva

    SoParkDiva Well-Known Member

    Well let me correct myself to say I have the semi-secured card with $500 cl and $99 down. I did not know they discontinued it. This is the card most people really need to rebuild their credit. I guess Cap1 is not interested in "helping" to rebuild credit after all. :\
     
  12. cyana

    cyana Well-Known Member

    Sorry - I was doing other things for a few moments and didn't the rest of your fine replies.

    reddevil: since my first offer doesn't expire until 4/8 (the mc offer - I have two Visas, the Providian and the BOA), I may apply online at the last minute and see what it says about any maintenance fees charged.

    Atiyana: You may be correct about what it say's on your credit reports. I saw soft inquiries on all three of credit reports thru 2001 and into mid 2002. I guess this was for their "Prime No-Hassle" card because I only started to fall behind when I was positive that I would have to declare bk and so didn't pay any credit debt for three months prior as my lawyer advised. That was very painful because I ALWAYS paid my bills - it was the joint debt I shared with my ex, including a leased car repo that forced my hand.

    SoParkDiva: Yes, it's a shame that Cap 1 discontinued their semi-secured card because that's the one I wanted for credit rebuilding.

    Thanks for the replies folks.
     

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