Letter I received from TransUNION

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by lsmith15, May 5, 2003.

  1. lsmith15

    lsmith15 Well-Known Member

    Hey all as some of you know I have a small claims lawsuit filed against TU, and just received a very interesting 3 page letter today from TU when I asked them to re-verify with a CA I told them I wanted documentation as to my signature on 4 loan apps from this one company never got anything from them except we verified and no change so after my second letter went off and they returned the Infamous your with a credit repair agency I just went and filed my suit, today this letter tells me they need a letter from CA stating to remove, another paragraph states there General Policy which I will print here

    "Transunion's procedure for investigating disputed information is to contact, by mail or telephone, the source of the information. Each source is advised of your dispute and is requested to verify the accuracy and /or completeness of the information reported.

    Once the verification responses are received, the disputed information is updated accordingly. Changes are reflected on the updated credit report that is sent to you ath the conclusion of our investigation. If you have any questions regarding the results of the investigation, please contact the creditor(s) directly "

    now the next paragraph is the kicker cause I ask for documents here what that paragraph says

    " Re: verification documents not available

    We store information in our records as it is supplied to us by the creditors. When information is disputed, we are required to investigate and record the current status of the information. We do not provide disputed verification responses received from creditors. If you need to obtain documentation or written verification concerning your accounts, then please contact your creditors directly. "

    Does the courts not say that validation is more then just simply a printout that they must provide a complete accounting of debt, interest charged, ect and provide proof in the form of signed contract, paper or other document bearing my signature?

    So what does everyone think of this, is TU trying to cover there tracks for my lawsuit or what?

    Oh BTW my first two letters sent on this was to the OC and got no response from them at all
     
  2. lsmith15

    lsmith15 Well-Known Member

    BUMP
     
  3. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

     
  4. knoxPK

    knoxPK Well-Known Member

    Transunion's procedure for investigating disputed information is to contact, by mail or telephone, the source of the information. Each source is advised of your dispute and is requested to verify the accuracy and /or completeness of the information reported.

    Once the verification responses are received, the disputed information is updated accordingly. Changes are reflected on the updated credit report that is sent to you ath the conclusion of our investigation. If you have any questions regarding the results of the investigation, please contact the creditor(s) directly "
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    You filed suit?
    Keep that and submit it as Exhibit "A"...

    Read Richardson v Equifax and Cushman V Trans Union..

    Both the cases CLEALRY say that simply verifying with the "source" is not a reasonable investigation!!!!

    That letter ADMITS that is all they do!

    Good luck.
     
  5. lsmith15

    lsmith15 Well-Known Member

    to knoxPK yes my court date is 27th May! Where can I find the info on Richardson vs Equifax and Crushman vs TU?
     
  6. knoxPK

    knoxPK Well-Known Member

    2. Section 1681e(b) Claim

    Under the FCRA, a consumer reporting agency must follow "reasonable procedures to assure maximum possible accuracy" regarding the information contained in a consumer's credit report. 15 U.S.C. § 1681e(b). A claim of noncompliance with section 1681e(b) "consists of four elements: (1) inaccurate information was included in a consumer's credit report; (2) the inaccuracy was due to defendant's failure to follow reasonable procedures to assure maximum possible accuracy; (3) the consumer suffered injury; and (4) the consumer's injury was caused by the inclusion of the inaccurate entry." Philbin v. Trans Union Corp., 101 F.3d 957, 962 (3d Cir. 1996). In this case, Equifax apparently does not dispute that inaccurate information was placed in reports it prepared regarding the plaintiffs' credit history. However, Equifax does challenge the plaintiffs' ability to demonstrate the remaining three elements of a section 1681e(b) claim. The Court will address each disputed element in turn.

    a. Reasonable Procedures [*11]

    Equifax contends that it maintains reasonable procedures as a matter of law because it transcribed, stored, and communicated consumer information from Fleet, a source that it believed to be reliable and credible on its face. In addition, it argues that the plaintiffs cannot produce any proof that they caused Equifax to be notified that their credit history was being erroneously reported.

    Section 1681e(b) mandates that agencies follow reasonable procedures in preparing consumer reports but "does not impose strict liability for inaccurate entries in consumer reports; the preparer is held only to a duty of reasonable care. The exercise of reasonable care is determined by reference to what a reasonably prudent person would do under the circumstances." Spence v. TRW, Inc., 92 F.3d 380, 383 (6th Cir. 1996) (citations omitted). In evaluating whether procedures are reasonable, courts also balance "the potential harm from inaccuracy against the burden of safeguarding against such inaccuracy." Stewart v. Credit Bureau, Inc., 734 F.2d 47, 50 (D.C. Cir. 1984).

    The Court declines to say that relying on creditors for accurate credit information constitutes [*12] a reasonable procedure as a matter of law where, as here, the credit reporting agency had reason to know of the dispute between the plaintiffs and Equifax. See Bryant v. TRW, 689 F.2d 72, 77 (6th Cir. 1982) (where agency knew of dispute between consumer and creditors, confirming consumer's credit information with creditors constituted unreasonable procedure); Barron v. Trans Union Corp., 82 F. Supp. 2d at 1295-96. A credit reporting agency is initially entitled to rely on information contained in the reports issued by credit grantors, because it would be unduly burdensome and inefficient to require an agency to look beyond the face of every credit report. However, once notified that a consumer disputes the information contained in such records, exclusive reliance on such information is neither reasonable or justified. See Henson v. CSC Credit Servs., 29 F.3d 280, 285 (7th Cir. 1994) (credit reporting agency entitled to rely on court dockets to correctly recite consumer's credit history absent notice that information is flawed); Gill v. Kostroff, 2000 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 1161, Civ.A. 98-930- T17A, 2000 WL 141258, at *6 (M.D. Fla. 2000). Thus, "[a] [*13] credit reporting agency that has been notified of potentially inaccurate information in a consumer's credit report is in a very different position than one who has no such notice." Henson, 29 F.3d at 286.

    In this case, the exhibits and affidavits show that the plaintiffs caused notices to be sent to Equifax regarding errors in their credit history on at least three occasions before Equifax prepared their credit report for BP Oil. Despite the communication of these notices, Equifax continued to rely exclusively on Fleet's version of the plaintiffs' credit history. In the Court's view, there exists a genuine issue of material fact as to whether it was reasonable for Equifax to rely exclusively on the information provided by Fleet, given that Equifax knew or should have known that this information was unreliable or inaccurate. See Gill, 2000 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 1161, 2000 WL 141258, at *7 (genuine issue of material fact exists as to whether defendant maintained reasonable procedures where plaintiff sent several notices to defendant, but defendant failed to correct reported errors).





    All you have to do is a google search and it will come up..But just for the sake of others who may not look it up, this is an excerpt from richardson v equifax
     
  7. knoxPK

    knoxPK Well-Known Member

    Part of Cushman v trans Union









    We now turn to the questions of a consumer reporting
    agency's obligations pursuant to § 1681i(a) and a plaintiff 's
    burden of proving a claim of negligent noncompliance with
    that section. TUC contends that § 1681i(a) did not impose
    on it an obligation to do any more than perform the
    reinvestigation it performed in this case. That is, TUC
    believes that when a consumer informs a consumer
    reporting agency that information contained in her
    consumer report is inaccurate, the consumer reporting

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    agency is obliged only to confirm the accuracy of the
    information with the original source of the information.
    According to TUC, it is never required to go beyond the
    original source in ascertaining whether the information is
    accurate.

    This position has been rejected by the United States
    Courts of Appeals for the Fifth and Seventh Circuits. See
    Henson, 29 F.3d at 286-87; Stevenson v. TRW Inc., 987
    F.2d 288, 293 (5th Cir. 1993). In Henson, a state court
    judgment docket erroneously stated that an outstanding
    judgment had been entered against the plaintiff. Two credit
    reporting agencies included the erroneous entry on their
    consumer reports regarding the plaintiff. See Henson, 29
    F.3d at 282-83. The plaintiff sued those credit reporting
    agencies pursuant to both § 1681e(b) and § 1681i. See id. at
    284, 286. Section 1681e(b) requires consumer reporting
    agencies "to follow `reasonable procedures to assure
    maximum possible accuracy' of the information" contained
    in the credit report. Id. at 284 (quoting 15 U.S.C.
    § 1681e(b)).

    The Seventh Circuit upheld the district court's dismissal
    of the § 1681e(b) claim. See id. at 285-86. However, the
    court reversed the district court's dismissal of the § 1681i
    claim, distinguishing between the duties imposed by the
    two sections of the statute. It stated:

    A credit reporting agency that has been notified of
    potentially inaccurate information in a consumer's
    credit report is in a very different position than one
    who has no such notice. . . . [A] credit reporting agency
    may initially rely on public court documents, because
    to require otherwise would be burdensome and
    inefficient. However, such exclusive reliance may not be
    justified once the credit reporting agency receives notice
    that the consumer disputes information contained in his
    credit report. When a credit reporting agency receives
    such notice, it can target its resources in a more
    efficient manner and conduct a more thorough
    investigation.

    Id. at 286-87 (emphasis added).

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    The Fifth Circuit came to a similar conclusion in
    Stevenson, 987 F.2d at 293. In that case, similar to the
    situation here, the consumer's son had fraudulently
    obtained accounts in the consumer's name. See id. at 291.
    Other inaccurate information appeared on the credit report
    as well. See id. The credit reporting agency sent written
    forms to the credit granting agencies that had originally
    supplied information concerning the consumer, and relied
    on those credit grantors to make the conclusive
    determination of whether the information was accurate. See
    id. at 293. Holding that this was insufficient, the court
    wrote: "In a reinvestigation of the accuracy of credit reports
    [pursuant to § 1681i(a)], a credit bureau must bear some
    responsibility for evaluating the accuracy of information
    obtained from subscribers." Id. (citing Swoager v. Credit
    Bureau of Greater St. Petersburg, 608 F. Supp. 972, 976
    (M.D. Fla. 1985)).

    The court reasoned that such a result was the only one
    consistent with the language of § 1681i(a), which requires
    "that the `consumer reporting agency shall within a
    reasonable period of time reinvestigate' and `promptly
    delete' inaccurate or unverifiable information." Id. (quoting
    15 U.S.C. § 1681i(a)) (emphasis in Stevenson). The court
    expressly rejected the same argument made here by TUC:
    "that where fraud has occurred, the consumer must resolve
    the problem with the creditor." Id. Rather, "[t]he statute
    places the burden of investigation squarely on" the
    consumer reporting agency. Id.

    We agree with the conclusions reached by these courts.
    We assume for the sake of argument, as the Seventh
    Circuit concluded, that the costs of requiring consumer
    reporting agencies to go beyond the original source of
    information as an initial matter outweigh any potential
    benefits of such a requirement. Thus, we can assume that
    absent any indication that the information is inaccurate,
    the statute does not mandate such an investigation.
    However, as the Henson court explained, once a claimed
    inaccuracy is pinpointed, a consumer reporting agency
    conducting further investigation incurs only the cost of
    reinvestigating that one piece of disputed information. In
    short, when one goes from the § 1681e(b) investigation to

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    the § 1681i(a) reinvestigation, the likelihood that the cost-
    benefit analysis will shift in favor of the consumer increases
    markedly. Judgment as a matter of law, even if appropriate
    on a § 1681e(b) claim, thus may not be warranted on a
    § 1681i(a) claim.

    We also agree with the cogent observation by the Fifth
    Circuit that the plain language of the statute places the
    burden of reinvestigation on the consumer reporting
    agency. See Stevenson, 987 F.2d at 293. The FCRA evinces
    Congress's intent that consumer reporting agencies, having
    the opportunity to reap profits through the collection and
    dissemination of credit information, bear "grave
    responsibilities," 15 U.S.C. § 1681(a)(4), to ensure the
    accuracy of that information. The "grave responsibilit[y]"
    imposed by § 1681i(a) must consist of something more than
    merely parroting information received from other sources.
    Therefore, a "reinvestigation" that merely shifts the burden
    back to the consumer and the credit grantor cannot fulfill
    the obligations contemplated by the statute.

    In addition to these observations, we note that TUC's
    reading of § 1681i(a) would require it only to replicate the
    efforts it must undertake in order to comply with
    § 1681e(b). Such a reading would render the two sections
    largely duplicative of each other. We strive to avoid a result
    that would render statutory language superfluous,
    meaningless, or irrelevant. See Sekula v. F.D.I.C., 39 F.3d
    448, 454 n.14 (3d Cir. 1994); Pennsylvania Dept. of Public
    Welfare v. United States Dept. of Health and Human Servs.,
    928 F.2d 1378, 1385 (3d Cir. 1991).
     
  8. LKH

    LKH Well-Known Member

    Cra's have no obligation to "validate". It isn't up to a cra to provide you with any accounting of a debt. If you used that as your premise for a suit against a cra, you made a big mistake.

    Collections agencies have an obligation under the FDCPA to prove the amount they are trying to collect, interest, where the charges came from, signed contract etc.

    But in no way, shape or form is a cra obligated to provide you with that type of info.
     
  9. knoxPK

    knoxPK Well-Known Member

    lsmith

    What LKH said is correct. Please tell me that you were reffering to the CA when you said you attempted validation multiple times.

    If that is the case then you have a case. If not you could be in trouble.

    Let me give you a for instance:

    Say you tried to validate repeatedly. You sent CRRR letters several times and the CA hasnt done its part. During this process the CRA also verified the info which you disputed.
    You then send your "proof" of the bogus account to the CRA's and dispute again.
    The Cra's once again verify the info knowing you have prrof that the CA cannot validate.


    Then you have a case.

    If all you did was go to the CRA for "validation" you are not going to get the results you are looking for.

    I just filed suit for the same thing. The difference is I actually have papers from 2 different "sources" of information who have admitted the incorrectness of the listing. I tried to tell the CRA's for 3 months and they wouldnt listen.
    WHY? The source kept telling them to do it. Despite my efforts they continued. When I wrote the Attorney general only then did the sources investigate and find they had made a mistake.

    If the CRA's would have done a "proper" investigation they would have uncovered the same things!


    I would talk to an attorney and see what he thinks if I were you.

    Good luck.
     
  10. tyrelle

    tyrelle New Member

    Cushman v trans Union is my life story....this is good stuff.
     
  11. lsmith15

    lsmith15 Well-Known Member

    ok all here is what I did, first I sent a request to the CA they had listed 7 accounts on my credit report from one company 4 of them reporting bad history , I told the CA that I have had only 3 accounts with you in my lifetime and 4 accounts r not mine , no response from then sent second letter, at the same time I sent letters to the CRA's to investigate those 7 accounts Ex and EQ removed the four false ones TU refuses to saying they verified, sent second letter to TU stating remove the false ones or I will sue, got the infamous won't investigate cause u r with a credit repair agency. so I went and filed suit in small claims court. I have not heard one word from the CA
     
  12. knoxPK

    knoxPK Well-Known Member

    Well, rumor has it that once they get served they tend to settle. Thats a good thing. If they do not and you take them to court make sure you admit the other credit reports as evidence. It helps your case..While we all know the others do not investigate the judge may not..
    "Your honor, EQ and EXP upon conclusion of their legitimate investigations promply deleted the accounts per FCRA...(yada yada).."



    I was just worried for a second. I thought you attmepted "validation" through TU. It appears you ave given them a chance to fix it. The only thing I owuld have done differetnly is I would have sent TU copies of my certified receipts showing my attempts to settle the matter with the CA.

    It may be a non-factor but I think it would show my "good faith" in trying to fix the matter.
     
  13. knoxPK

    knoxPK Well-Known Member

    Well, rumor has it that once they get served they tend to settle. Thats a good thing. If they do not and you take them to court make sure you admit the other credit reports as evidence. It helps your case..While we all know the others do not investigate the judge may not..
    "Your honor, EQ and EXP upon conclusion of their legitimate investigations promply deleted the accounts per FCRA...(yada yada).."



    I was just worried for a second. I thought you attmepted "validation" through TU. It appears you ave given them a chance to fix it. The only thing I owuld have done differetnly is I would have sent TU copies of my certified receipts showing my attempts to settle the matter with the CA.

    It may be a non-factor but I think it would show my "good faith" in trying to fix the matter.
     
  14. lsmith15

    lsmith15 Well-Known Member

    knoxPK, I did that sent them copies of the letters I sent to the CA I think that is why EX, and EQ deleted the false ones and you better believe that is part of what I will present to the Judge when I go to court that EX and EQ deleted.
     
  15. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    I sent a request to the CA they had listed 7 accounts on my credit report from one company 4 of them reporting bad history.
    1* I told the CA that I have had only 3 accounts with you in my lifetime and 4 accounts r not mine.
    2*TU refuses to saying they verified
    lsmith15=========
    ======
    1*why did you admit this to them?
    2*Did you send the CA a validation for each of the 7?

    The END** *** **LB 59
     
  16. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    I sent a request to the CA they had listed 7 accounts on my credit report from one company 4 of them reporting bad history.
    1* I told the CA that I have had only 3 accounts with you in my lifetime and 4 accounts r not mine.
    2*TU refuses to saying they verified
    lsmith15=========
    ======
    1*why did you admit this to them?
    2*Did you send the CA a validation for each of the 7?

    The END** *** **LB 59
     
  17. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    I sent a request to the CA they had listed 7 accounts on my credit report from one company 4 of them reporting bad history
    lsmith15
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    Wrong all 7 of them are Negitive accounts.


    THE END ** *** ** LB 59
     
  18. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    voided
     

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