Letters to Experian....

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Erica, Jan 4, 2002.

  1. Erica

    Erica Well-Known Member

    Has anyone written a letter to Experian about their refusal to reinvestigate derogs online? I want them to reinvestigate and they refuse to do it online, I want that fact to be leverage in the letter. Thanks in Advance...
     
  2. DaveLV

    DaveLV Well-Known Member

    Do they have any obligation under the law to accept any disputes online? I wouldn't think the FCRA is modern enough to specify this.
     
  3. Erica

    Erica Well-Known Member

    The way I read the FCRA is that they must reinvestigate what I ask them to reinvestigate. Even if it's 100 times. Doesn't matter if it's online or not. I could be asking them to reinvestigate a fraudulent account that they keep verifying, how does the online process know that? I could keep disputing it in letters via snail mail for the same reason.

    That is just how I read the FCRA. If I ask them to reinvestigate something, they have to reinvestigate it. Period. A refusal to do so is a violation of the law.
     
  4. DaveLV

    DaveLV Well-Known Member

    I agree, but do they have to accept your request to start an investigation online or can they force you to write a letter requesting an investigation?

    To me it's kind of like disputing a credit card charge. Yes, you can call a credit card company and ask them to investigate a charge, but you have no rights under the law that kick in unless you write to them. Even if they accept your dispute over the phone and begin investigating just to be nice you still have to write.
     
  5. Erica

    Erica Well-Known Member

    I think if they offer a service like online disputing, they should honor it the same as if I wrote a letter. I shouldn't have to write a letter with an online disputing service, and they shouldn't have to force me to write a letter. IMHO.

    The FCRA provides for disputing inaccurate information. I sent a validation letter to 2 CA's that haven't validated. As a matter of fact, they took the entry off of Equifax. They can't prove that the accounts are mine, and I want Experian to delete it as well. They refuse to accept my dispute online.

    I also have mitigating circumstances. My mailing address for credit purposes is still NY. I have a forwarding to NC. I may not get the results via snail mail until after 60 days. I still haven't gotten any mail since December 7, 2001. Online disputing is very convenient for me, and I shouldn't feel forced to write a letter. Especially with a FREE online disputing service.

    Make sense?
     
  6. Erica

    Erica Well-Known Member

    ***BUMP***

    Was on the 3rd page.

    Anyone with any examples?
     
  7. LKH

    LKH Well-Known Member

    Unless, they claim the request for reinvestigation is frivolous. Then, if they have already verified 1 or more times, would be able to claim that unless of cours, you had additional info to give them.
     
  8. LKH

    LKH Well-Known Member

    Erica,

    You took your last post down? I spent 15 minutes looking for the opinion letter. LOL
    I'll post it here anyway just in case. It's long. Pay attention to #6.

    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
    WASHINGTON, D.C. 20580

    Division of Credit Practices
    Bureau of Consumer Protection


    November 9, 1992

    Patricia A. Torkildson, Esq.
    Vice President and Associate General Counsel
    CUNA Service Group, Inc.
    Post Office Box #431
    Madison, Wisconsin 53701

    Dear Ms. Torkildson:

    This responds to your letter to David Medine dated September 11, 1992, in which you described a program provided by CUNA Service Group, Inc. ("CSG"), an affiliate of Credit Union National Association ("CUNA"), on behalf of CUNA's credit union members. You ask if CSG is exempt from the application of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act ("FDCPA") in operating the program, which is described in the following paragraph (using your description verbatim).

    "CSG acts as a loan servicer, performing all the back-office operations necessary to operate a credit card program. The services CSG provides include, but are not limited to, soliciting the credit union's members on behalf of the credit union, review-ing applications to determine which meet the credit union's lending policy, providing the periodic statements, responding to cardholder questions and disputes and doing collection work. The collection work includes calling accountholders that are past due and sending letters. After a account is 180 days past due or charged off in bankruptcy, CSG will purchase the account from the credit union (for the principal amount of the account) and col-lect what it can from the accountholder."

    While acting as a loan servicer under the program, CSG is exempt from the FDCPA under Section 803(6)(F)(iii) of the FDCPA, which states that the term "debt collector" (the type of party covered by the FDCPA) does not include "any person collecting or attempting to collect any debt owed or due or asserted to be owed or due another to the extent such activity . . . concerns a debt which was not in default at the time it was obtained by such person." Because CSG's collection efforts on the account commence prior to default in every case (in fact, CSG solicits and creates the account in the first place), the clear language of the exemption clearly removes CSG from the FDCPA's definition of "debt collector" in its capacity as a loan servicer under the program you described. The legislative history of the FDCPA, which states that the exemption was intended to apply to any parties "who service outstanding debts for others, so long as the debts were not in default when taken for servicing" (Senate Report No. 95-382, page 4), similarly indicates that CSG's program of servicing these loans for credit unions is the type of activity that the exemption was intended to cover.

    As we understand the other portion of CSG's program, it will become the legal owner of any loan after it is 180 days in default. Unless there is some aspect of the program that gives the original creditor some rights in the accounts at that point, with the result that CSG could be said to be purchasing the accounts for the purpose of facilitating collection for "another" -- a key word in the definitions of "creditor" in § 803(4) and "debt collector" in § 803(6) -- CSG would be collecting its own obligations at that point and not covered by the FDCPA.

    The views set forth in this letter constitute informal staff opinion that is not binding on the Commission.

    Sincerely yours,

    Clarke Brinckerhoff, Attorney
    Division of Credit Practices
     
  9. Erica

    Erica Well-Known Member

    LKH,

    Huh???

    I just woke up from a nap, and not sure what this has to do with Experian. I don't remember deleting or editing any posts. Sorry.
     

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