My First Documented Legit Violation, need advice extracting payment from CA

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Kameleon, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    Jam / others.
    the form i will be using is at http://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/sc100.pdf

    3 questions.
    -1) The defendant has one name on the letter "ABA" and reports on my CR as "A funding" do i name them each separately in section 2?

    -2) What do i choose for section 5? I live in California the "CA" is in the state of MN. There is no "property/contract" if i choose option E what do i specify?

    -3) How do i choose which court house to file the claim? (i can PM you the county i'm in) I see there are multiple courthouses and the website said you must file it in the appropriate court but doesn't say which one or how to find the right one.
     
  2. jam237

    jam237 Well-Known Member

    Is there a particular reason for filing in Small Claims as opposed to the Federal Court (FDCPA/FCRA are Federal Questions, so you can sue in Federal Court for any amount)?

    Take note of #4, you must demand payment before filing, so your ITS would need to include a specific demand of payment.

    2) You would list whatever their legal business name is, irregardless of how it is notated on the credit report and/or letter.
    5) a3, it's where you were injured.
     
  3. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    Update:
    Every 1st of the month i pull a new Equifax report.
    Today i found out even though ABSOLUTELY NO ALERTS were given,
    THE CA in question has been reporting to EQ since 6/10/13. DOFD Reported: 06/2013
    It is 100% still on my EQ CR, i've screenshot and saved a copy of the report in case it goes magically away again.

    I've signed up for Eliminate ID CMS as Equifax (should be Equifalse) is clearly unreliable, and i cannot get into the TU backdoor dispute method since their online dispute is always "unavailable at this time", It takes 2 days for them to allow me access to all 3 reports and it is a supposed good CMS for daily pulls. I'll update as to what TU says then. But i think it's safe to say i have for sure all the evidence i should need ...... i just need all the help i can get to not lose this on a technicality!
     
  4. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    Update: Got the reports from Eliminate ID...

    - The CA is not listing ANY accounts. on ANY reports.... some how i'm starting to feel like big brother is watching these forums. (massive amount of views for this thread with 3-4 people replying bothers me)

    - The report is a 3-in-1 report which a) is not the most reliable b) includes the name and address of the CA in the "creditor contacts" area of the report, so there's still trace evidence of them even though no account is listing.
    Regardless evidence is stacked that they did report again and even lied about the DOFD and the CRA's even allowed them to backdate the "reported date"

    I'm just going to proceeds to the ITS and prep to file a lawsuit. At least it will be a lesson learned for BOTH of us =)


    Jam i did not see your response...
    1) Honestly, the filing fee is what got me thinking small claims. I read that CA like to ignore and bluff until they know you paid the big $ to file in federal court. Then they'll drag it out to the last minute....
    Where as they might be swayed when someone would put out only $30 to force them to spend on a legal battle they know they will lose...

    2) Maybe i misunderstood but i thought that The FDCPA violation would only net $1000 in TOTAL. no matter how many violations occurred. The FCRA is per incidence right? And the CA is bound by FDCPA not FCRA right? hence i thought the max would be $1000.

    I did not want to put out the $350-$400 to file;
    http://court.cacd.uscourts.gov/Cacd/forms.nsf/0b2b50f03ce1d589882567c80058610a/66cc90529a00dc1688256dcf005f4ac3/$FILE/G-72.pdf
     
  5. mindcrime

    mindcrime Well-Known Member

    You're correct that the max you can go for under FDCPA is 1,000, while under the FCRA you get to keep going.

    A CA is governed under the FDCPA; they are also governed under the FCRA as long as they are reporting. OC's are FCRA only.
     
  6. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    I've combed through section 604 -607. At 607 it seems that there are possibilities BUT reading Section 607 (5B-D), i think this is the area i would catch a violation but

    1) It would mean i would have had to dispute through the CRA and the information would have been removed , and then allowed back on to violate this section..... It never got to a CRA dispute. I DV'd the CA they sent a letter saying it would be removed.

    2) so this section doesn't seem to apply unless i dispute again with the CRA this time and if the CRA verifies then i have proof of previous admittance.


    3)But still, isn't this still just a violation for the CRA? The wording talks mainly about the "agency" being responsible for keep checks and balances in place.


    I need to reed more FCRA, also based on the info on my file it looks like the dates were updated, is this considered re-again the debt as well?

    sorry for all the questions but i want to get it all on the ITS letter in one shot and be done, but it's taking me forever...
     
  7. jam237

    jam237 Well-Known Member

    A CA who reports to a CRA is covered under the FDCPA & FCRA (reporting false credit information under the FDCPA, and FCRA if you've disputed the tradeline on the CRA report, and they've willfully and knowingly failed to perform an investigation of the dispute.

    So if you dispute it on the CRA, and they verify the tradeline, they're now on the hook for $1,000 under the FDCPA, and $1,000 for the FCRA. You're next dispute would be a "Cushman v. TransUnion" unreliability dispute using the letter that said that they no longer have the account to impeach the previous investigation, and if they verify that one, you add another $1,000 to the mix for that FCRA violation... keep going...

    How do you think my U.S.D.o.Ed suit got to up to $20,000 in statutory FCRA damages, in just 3 short months? 5 tradelines x 4 investigations which were woefully inadequate = $2,000-20,000.00 in statutory minimum damages.
     
  8. jam237

    jam237 Well-Known Member

    Depending on your financial situation, you may not have to put up the $350-400 to file.

    http://court.cacd.uscourts.gov/CACD/Forms.nsf/0b2b50f03ce1d589882567c80058610a/08aed9b832f6868f882568190072f63b/$FILE/CV-60.pdf

    You can get all the bang, and no bucks... :)

    Keep in mind, depending on the judges in your small claims court, they may not be of the mindset to understand why a CA putting a tradeline on your credit report, after they've put in writing that they no longer have the account, should net you $1,000 statutory minimum under Federal Law.

    In PA, we had a magistrate get mocked over a ruling of $100 + $59 in court costs under PA's Consumer Protection Law because K-Mart charged $0.28 in sales tax on a $3.99 package of toilet paper, and refuse to correct the situation. That magistrate realized the reason for the statutory minimum is to make a penalty that is sufficient enough to have companies comply with the law all the time, instead of allowing them to just repay the $0.28 in actual damages, and court costs and get a get out of jail free card.
     
  9. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    Yeah i saw that & similar form for small claims... but i do not think i will qualify.
    so here is how i see this going

    1) I send ITS with just the THE FDCPA violations.... requesting $1000. Send ITS letter with a copy of the court complaint form CMRRR 10 days to postmark a response. Would i need to provide them a copy of the letter they mailed me telling me they would remove it? is 10 days enough?

    2) Gamble and CRA dispute this, and i highly think at this point they will discover and remove the tradelines, netting me $0. As i think them removing the accounts and me threatening to sue and asking for $ is borderline extortion. HOWEVER like it has been said, once you rob a bank if you go and give the money back that doesn't change the fact that you robbed a bank!
     
  10. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    Should i include a copy of the letter they sent me stating they would remove?
    Also do i give them copies of the screen shots of the accounts reporting?
    What is the shortest appropriate response time to give them? 5? 7? 10? 15? 30 days?
     
  11. jam237

    jam237 Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't provide anything to them, I would save that for the evidence. Just memorialize the letter and the appearance of the tradeline into the ITS.
     
  12. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    is 5 days from receipt of the ITS too short of a time frame to respond. I don't see anything that my local courts require for them to respond.
     
  13. jam237

    jam237 Well-Known Member

    There is no time limit that they have to respond. But I would say that 5 days is too short.

    Typically, unless the company has REALLY ticked me off (which has happened all too recently) I give them 30 days. The company that ticked me off I phrased it as something like, "normally, I would allow your company the courtesy of a month to respond, but since your company has shown no signs of complying with federal law and ceasing inconvenient communications, I will immediately file this complaint if you do not contact me within 48 hours to offer a settlement arrangement."

    Their response was "you gotta do, what you got to do", which means that just a few days ago I received word from the court that the U.S. Marshall's should be delivering my regards to them, very soon. :) When I got home from filing, I did send them a fax that had a copy of the suit and a cover-letter that said, well, she said I gotta do, what I gotta do, take this as notice that this suit was just filed against you. Have a great day. :)
     
  14. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    30 days is a long time.. i have little patience.. lol
    this is my first going at this so i guess 30 days will give me time to learn the court rules.
    Is it odd that i hope they want to go to court??? lmao.

    So got a 2 page ITS letter done!
    (getting it to 2 is a HUGE accomplishment for me, just look at my post lengths!)
    I was hoping to post for advice but i'm reluctant to "show my cards" maybe i should PM you jam /Mindcrime?

    also since i'm going the federal court route as suggested i'm using this form correct? Civil complaint form
    i got that from here: USDC CACD | Forms

    Finally the CA is listing as "A" on my report, responds to DV as company "b" and on their website they are listed as a subsidiary of company "C"....
    when naming the Defendants is it okay to list them as one defendant like this:
    "C" ; DBA "B"; DBA "C".
    or
    is it best to name each of them separately as defendants.
     
  15. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    Also,
    I'm going after them in the ITS with:
    FDCPA. Section 809. B [15 USC 1692g]
    FDCPA. Section 807. 2(A) [15 USC 1692e]
    FCRA. § 623 [15 U.S.C. § 1681s-2] (a)(3)
    FCRA. § 611 [15 U.S.C. § 1681i] (a)(5)(B)(i)
    California Rosenthal Act:
    § 1788.10. (c),
    § 1788.13. (i),
    § 1788.17

    Let me know if you think i'm forgetting anything else.

    My question is on the court complaint form on page 5 it states to write the Claim and then Supporting facts for "Claim I" ...

    so will i have to fill out separate sheets, one claim and supporting facts for each of the violations i listed above? this would total 7 separate "claims" or does all violations go under one "claim"
     
  16. Kameleon

    Kameleon Well-Known Member

    Well this went nowhere. letter received and ignored. CRA said they "NEVER" reported the account and stated that is must be the Credit Monitoring Service i was using that was messed up....Shocked because the CRA that said this was EQ... and guess which product i use as my CMS ... EQ....depressing!

    Also this could not be true because i have screen shots of when other CRA's reported on their own report from their website not "through my CMS"

    The damn thing just vanished and i don't really feel up to playing these *$#($&-ing games ONLY BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME! - This is how they get away with their tactics, unless you have no job and can spend hours upon hours learning the law and the exact process to sue or paying $$$ for a lawyer, you are screwed!
     

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