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WORTH REPEATING!!!!!!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

--Benjamin Franklin

 

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MOM is Militia of Montana. It has been very active for many years but I have not heard anything from them for maybe a year or so but I bet they are still active. They have a web site at http://www.militiaofmontana.com and I am quite certain that there are a lot more such militia sites around and from all parts of the nation. Texas has some as do most other states. One in Texas is known as "The Republic of Texas" and they want to return Texas to being a totally separate Republic nation thereby secceeding from the United States.

Oklahoma had a militia unit at one time before the bombing of the Murrah building here April 19, 1995. April 19th is the celebration of Patriot's day and it not only ended the lives of 168 people but pretty well redecorated the Alfred P. Murrah Federal building as well.

The government replaced that with a whole new complex of federal buildings that is extremely high tech in terms of security features. It just opened for business a few days ago.

April 19, 1995 pretty well ruined anybody's desire to be associated with any such thing as a militia as well.

 

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You certainly do have your points, Humblemarc.

But that is what the Jews thought in Nazi Germany too. It didn't work that way for them and it is even less likely to work for us if we do not speak up against any and all threats of tyranny or that which could lead to tyranny.

I believe that as well. There are a few historical facts to back that up as well.

Ciceroadvanced the notion that legitimate governments exist for the purpose of securing private property rights, including the right to the fruit of your labors. Cicero was assassinated because he opposed the Roman republic being taken over by what amounted to ambitious warlords.

When put in historical perspective, particularly with respect to the number subjected to
assassination, summary torture, judicial tyranny, et al, what we've been subject to is reasonably mild.

If enduring injustice is the cost of liberty, so be it. But even at that, we do not rely on our own
abilities and resources, but on the Grace and Power of God.

The Apostle Paul wrote something to the effect of, "I glory not that I preach the gospel, but woe is me if I preach not the gospel." I find myself in somewhat the same circumstance. I know and cannot deny the truth so have no choice but to move ahead.

The adversary may do what he wants to hide, obscure, resist, suppress and deny the truth, but whether I do or not, the truth will prevail.

 

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The Golden Rule is a good "rule of thumb" in all situations, yes?

I find it interesting how that "rule" is present in almost every civilazation worldwide and there something in almost every religion that states "do no harm" and I wonder how so many people consistently miss the point?

 

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Linda Thompson!!! I know her personally. That loon was going to lead an armed march on Washington, D.C. back in 1995. She had a million man army all ready to go to Washington and everybody needed to bring their AK-47s and whatever other armament they might have and they were going to hang the president on the white house lawn one fine Saturday. Believe it or not more than a few did show up armed to the teeth. (supposedly) but when they got to the staging area which was a few miles from the capitol they set up camp and waited for Linda to show up. Well, that turned into a snipe hunt and all those who went ended up out there on the trail holding their bags waiting for the snipe to show. (LOL)

When it became obvious to all that she was not going to show they all packed up and went home.
A month or so later the reports had it that ATF had raided her "headquarters" in Indianapolis and what they found there was not all that pleasing to them. Or maybe it was. More AK-47s, hand grenades and even some fully automatic weapons.

Somehow she apparently managed to evade them and nobody I know of has seen hide nor hair of her since. Also seems she lost most if not all of her credibility with the militia.

Then there was Ohio Militia leader James Johnson, a colored fellow. He and John Trochtman of MOM and a couple more were in Congressional hearings and became quite famous for that. James Johnson left his wife and kids out in the cold and hungry and took off with a lady attorney named Helen Johnson who was not a black. She was running for the V.P. spot on the Libertarian Party ticket at the time and she and James toured the country doing campaign speeches for the 1996 campaign. James Johnson was supposedly her body guard and had a rather large array of pretty sophisticated weaponry with him which he had purchased using a heavy stash of cash donated to him by a wealthy friend of mine from Chicago for the sole purpose of furthering the best interests of the Libertarian Party.

Had Alex been aware of the fact that James Johnson had abandoned his wife and kids with no food or shelter in the dead of winter J.J. as he was commonly known then would never have gotten a crying dime out of Alex.

J.J. and Helen spent lots of time with me at my home here in OKC and in the process they bought a trailer to carry their munitions and other gear in. I welded a hitch on their car for them and J.J. tried to take off without paying me the measly $50 bucks that I had priced the job at. Helen Johnson pulled me into the house on the pretext of using the restroom and she paid me out of her own pocket and admonished me that I should not say anything to J.J. which I didn't.

Of course, I didn't realize at the time that the trailer had such sophisticated weaponry inside until the fact was brought out much later. Had I known about that the history would have come out much differently than it did for I would have reported him in a heartbeat.

Needless to say, Helen Johnson didn't get the V.P. nomination and she blamed it off on J.J. and the things he had done. Alex was furious with me for not letting him in on what was going on, but calmed down when another good friend of mine who was head of the Michigan militia at the time and also a friend of Alex that it wasn't my fault and that Alex needed to lighten up on me.

Later, Alex also heavily funded the campaign for Oklahoma State Representative Charles Key who was later railroaded out of his house seat for attending lectures about the OKC bombing when he should have been in his place at the Legislature during key voting times. He also got real unpopular with his constituency for trying to force a Grand Jury hearing into the Murrah Building bombing and trying to prove that it wasn't McVeigh who was the sole culprit but rather that he was a government agent planted by the government for the sole purpose of doing exactly what he did.

Charles Key also believed that there was a middle east connection to the bombing and given the events of the last few years it is conceiveable that he may actually have been on to something but that was never proven.

I can go on and on and on with these stories about what happened back then and I knew almost every one of the players in the whole ballgame at one time or another except McVeigh and Terry Nichols. I never knew them or even heard of them until that fateful day. I didn't know Michael Fortier who got convicted and sentenced to 12 years either. He was from Arizona.

Terry "Liberty" Parker from Texas was another well known militia freak at the time too. I knew him from when I used to sysop my old Magna Carta News Service BBS system.

I met most of the militia leaders from around the country when they held a big militia commander's meeting back in 1994 at a state park in northwest Oklahoma one weekend but I've never met John or Randy Trochtman personally but I have spoken to them lots of times on the phone.

There is a lot of history behind all of that and I know a lot of it by heart from first hand experience but I never knew a thing about the bombing until the fateful morning of April 19, 1995. I was sound asleep when the bomb went off but I was so well known that a Channel 9 reporter by the name of Terry Carpenter who is now a news anchor somewhere in Texas called me up and asked me what I knew about the bombing. Danny Scott, another well known militia figure called me up and asked me if I had seen what had happened.

I asked him what he was talking about and he told me to turn on my TV and there it was, still smoldering in ruins. No sooner did Danny hang up than Terry Carpenter called me up and wanted to know what I knew about the bombing. He was sure I knew all about it and I could get him his story for the news. So I told him that yes, I knew all about it. "How did you know about it?" he asked. I replied that he ought to know all about it too and he asked "How do you figure? I'm just a reporter trying to find out about it." I told him that all he had to do was to watch Channel 9 and learn all about it and that's how I found out about it.

"Oh for christ sakes" he said "I really fell for that one, didn't I?"
But what I saw on TV was all in the world I knew about it at the time.

Still don't really know a whole lot more than what I have seen on Channel 9 to this day nor do I really care to know any more.

 

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(gulp) Wow.

 

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I really, really don't like entertaining the thought, but, I thought I'd post what I just found:

"The President has the power to seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, call reserve forces amounting to 2 1/2 million men to duty, institute martial law, seize and control all means of transportation, regulate all private enterprise, restrict travel, and in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all Americans...

Most [of these laws] remain a a potential source of virtually unlimited power for a President should he choose to activate them. It is possible that some future President could exercise this vast authority in an attempt to place the United States under authoritarian rule.

While the danger of a dictatorship arising through legal means may seem remote to us today, recent history records Hitler seizing control through the use of the emergency powers provisions contained in the laws of the Weimar Republic."

--Joint Statement, Sens. Frank Church (D-ID) and Charles McMathias (R-MD) September 30, 1973

Um....lol, I need to stop this thread!!! Way, way OT.

 

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We've been in a state of emergency since March 9, 1933.

lol

 

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It may seem to be off topic but I think it really is quite on topic.

My point is that if push really does come to shove then what would we be able to do to solve our problems?

Think about what life might be like under marital law.

Tell me it can't happen in America.

No matter what the final outcome of all this legislation may be it is possible that it may not be all that pleasant.

Many will say that we should let the government do it's job and hope for the best. Sorry, but that is not what the courts have told us to do.

The Supremes have told us many times throughout history that it is our worry and our responsibility.

For instance in Marbury v. Madison 5 U.S. 137, 173, 176, (1803) they told us that "all laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."

Again, in Miranda v. Arizona 384 U.S. 436, 491 (1966) they told us "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.

In American Communications Association v. Douds 339 U.S. 382, 442 (1950) they said "It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.

And finally, in Sumner v. Beeler 50 Ind 341, 342 (1875) All persons are presumed to know the law, and if they act under an unconstitutional enactment of the legislature, they do so at their peril, and must take the consequences."

So is it on topic? I think so.

 

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That's exactly right, Butch. President Franklin Delanor Roosevelt put us under a state of war and every president since has renewed that proclamation.

Dr. Gene Schroeder of Colorado, another man I know well has been running around the country promoting a number of books and the idea that the American people were declared enemies of the government under the War Powers Act. The only problem is that in the definitions section of the War Powers Act it specifically states that no American citizen can be considered an enemy of the government under the act. I guess Dr. Schroeder never read that part of the act or else he thought that if he just didn't bring that part to the attention of the people who bought his book they would never tumble to that fact. If they did, I doubt many would buy his trash.

He has been peddling it for years at gun shows and patriot events all over the country. In 1994 they had a common law court hearing in the city auditorium wherein they convicted Slick Willie of treason in absentia and passed a finding of guilty on him. Dr. Schroeder and many others were there including Linda Thompson and that is where she got the hair brained idea of her failed million man march on Washington D.C. to hang the sucker for his treasonous acts on the White House lawn.

Now there are probably at least a million who would like to hang every bill collector in the country. (LOL)

We got to keep this on topic somehow.

 

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lol

Is a person an American Citizen simply because they live in America?

 

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Of course not. There are at least three classes: (1) There is the citizen of one of the several States who is rhetorically a citizen of the United States but isn't technically a citizen of the United States, (2) there is the special class of citizen of the United States created by the Fourteenth Amendment, and (3) there is the citizen of the geographical United States who doesn't fall within the constitutional scheme. For example, in 1917 Congress bestowed blanket citizenship on Puerto Ricans, in 1927 Congress bestowed blanket citizenship on Virgin Islands natives, etc. Citizens of insular possessions cannot vote in presidential elections and do not have voting representation in Congress. Whatever their status, it lies outside the Constitution.

This is the fine line between Acts of Congress applicable in territories and possessions of the United States and laws of the United States applicable in States of the Union. The former are "nonconstitutional" in nature where the latter are promulgated within constitutionally enumerated powers.

Then we have the resident aliens as yet another huge segment of our population.

 

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http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-19.40/toc.htm

Read up on the official policy for detainment and internment for enemies, and us citizen civilians.

Radi8

 

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Why is it that, for some of you, the threat from Saddam Hussein doesn't seem to bother you at all, but you're just petrified of the US Gov't?

BUWAHAHAHA

 

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Laugh all you want to, Butch. It isn't funny.

Sadam Hussein might be able to launch some fool or group of fools with a few vials of nasty medicine or a truck bomb or two, maybe even some kids with bombs strapped to their bodies but he is basically still a very long ways away. He isn't here in the US and he has no real power over the American people except fear of what he might be able to do. But the US government has the power to put troops on just about every street corner in the entire United States and they have the power to enforce every mad edict some president gone mad might inflict upon us. I've seen them lock down major portions of big cities with barricades on every corner for miles. They could easily stop all traffic in and out of every major city in this entire country at any time they choose to do so and they have proven that time and time again overseas. Fort Sill, Oklahoma has the firepower to wipe out the entire population of Oklahoma City in less than 10 minutes and never leave the post and it is 90 miles from here. No problem. They don't even need many soldiers to block off every exit to a city. Put two Hueys on every exit, one facing one way and another facing the other way and there is no way in or out. Martial law is a fearsome thing if you understand what it means to the citizenry.

So go "BUWAHAHAHA" all you want, it just ain't funny if you understand the tremendous power a government like ours has.

They taught us a chilling lesson on 911 when they locked down America's skies and no plane could fly anywhere. They had it done almost instantly.

 

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I believe that the terrorists have won. Our country is being destroyed by our very own President and Beurocracy. This is not the same country anymore. I live in horror these days because I am married to an Arab who happens to be one of the most decent human beings that I have ever met. Maybe the internment camps are meant for him. He voted for Bush. I did not.

The actions of this government are a much greater threat to our nation than any terrorist network in the world. This very behavior is what sparks terrorism in the first place.
Most Americans had never heard of AlQuaida before September 12th because it is so convenient to be ignorant. Arabs pay attention to everything that happens and never forget.


I love my country and my husband came here for the same reasons that I love it here. He had to flee Kuwait after the war. He has more personal reasons to hate Sadam that any American. Yet he could become an enemy at any moment.

I pray for a new and better day.

"Rage, Rage Rage against the dying of the light.

 

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News Flash!
The Canadians have offered to help us guard our homeland while our troops are away.

They offered us 2 battleships, 6000 men and 2 helicopters.

Alan Greenspan has announced however that with the current rate of exchange today that would amount to one canoe, two mounties and a flying squirrel.

 

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LOL Bill, I was going to post that line too.

I think a nice place to start for the govt would be to prevent further visa issuances to guys who can't use them any more because they are meeting their gods in heaven.

PawMix