Please Help--Summons & Garnishment

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by TONYL, Jun 11, 2002.

  1. TONYL

    TONYL Member

    I received a summons but this was not to appear in court. It just said that I am summoned and "required to serve upon the attorney for the plaintiff (CA who bought debt from phone company) an answer to the complaint"'. I had 30 days to do that. I called the CA and asked to set up a payment plan, (I had already validated the debt with them a year ago). The CA would not accept my $50 a month proposal for the $1700 obligation. They said that their attorney would proceed to garnish my wages for about 20% of my wages. I then called the number listed for the attorney. The number is for an answering service, there's no person to talk to so I left a message explaining that I made an effort to contact the CA and work out a payment plan and that it was rejected. After about 45 days I received a "Garnishment Exemption Notice and Notice of Intent to Garnish Earnings" (State of Minnesota).

    What am I required to do? There's nothing in this notice saying I need to appear in court. They say a garnishment summons or levy "may" be served upon my employer or other third parties, "without further court proceedings or notice to you". Don't I have to go to court in order for there to be judgement? What can I do to try and set up a payment plan? I cannot settle, $50 a month is the best I can do, but they don't want that.

    I would reallyt appreciate your insight in this matter and any advice to proceed.
     
  2. QUEEN_BEE

    QUEEN_BEE Well-Known Member

    Either this is a scare tactic or they got a default judgment against you. I would contact the courthouse to see if they have record of a judgment against you.
     
  3. sam

    sam Well-Known Member

    If they don't know where you work, they can't get squat from you.

    They can get a judgement all day long, but without knowing your place of work, they will will be SOL in 7 years..
     
  4. KHM

    KHM Well-Known Member

    Here's the worse thing that I have seen when it comes to court cases. Let's say you offered the settlement 1 year ago of $50 a month til PIF. If you go before a judge and say that, they may have sympathy for you, or they could say why haven't you been saving $50 a month for the last 12 months ($600).

    I'm sorry I am a daytime court show junkie and this is what popped into mind when I saw that. I wish I could help more, but I know *I* want to know every possible outcome when I go to court, so I thought I would share my "why didn't you" scenario.
     
  5. MandyB

    MandyB Well-Known Member

    Summons & Garnishment

    Try to find out if the complaint was actually filed in court as the above poster said. If you have only been asked to file an answer then it is a response to the complaint generally stating why what they're saying is wrong legally. If it has gone past this and there is a default judgment you might want to move to get it vacated.
     
  6. Hal

    Hal Well-Known Member

    Look at the summons and determine if it is a copy of a case to be filed. Call the court and find out if the case was indeed filed.

    If filed you will need to prepare and file an answer with the court and have a copy of the answer served on the plaintiff.

    It is common practice in many states for a filing party to prepare documents for court and send a copy before filing. This allows them to speed up service by providing a statement that you were "Served with a copy by depositing in the U.S. Mail on xx/xx/xxxx."

    Once the case is filed you must then be provided notice of the actual court date. If you determine there is an actual court date GO TO COURT. If you do not and they receive a default judgement thay can ask for a garnishment during the hearing.

    As you have made an offer to pay, I would also send the offer in writing, certified with return receipt. Include a copy in your response and take the return receipt to court.

    In most small claims cases the judge will send you to mediation to try and work out an arrangement before an actual hearing. Be sure you are ready to provide an accounting of your income and expenses. If your required expenses are utilizing a large portion of your income IF they get a garnishment it may be much less than 20%.
     
  7. thomas

    thomas Well-Known Member

    Assuming that the case was filed, this is what probably happened. You had thirty days to answer. You did not answer. Because there was no answer, there are no issues to litigate, and therefore no reason to have a court date. Normally, the Clerk of the Court will then enter a default against you (it doesn't even take a Judge to do it). The attorney for the plaintiff then makes an appointment with the Judge (you don't get notice because you never answered) and the attorney spends a few minutes convincing the Judge you owe the money and that the Judge should grant the relief requested. It is real easy because the Judge only hears one side.

    The Judge enters the order (prepared by the attorney) and it is over. You lost. They have these hearings usually in the morning before regular court starts and can run 15-20 by the Judge in an hour or so. Many of the Judges don't even set up hearings for these - the attorney stops by the clerks office, gets the file, and then waits his turn with the Judge.

    First, check the courthouse and make sure the case was filed. Then, look at the summons and complaint. It will usually say that a default will be entered if you do not respond. See what the case file says. I am betting that a default judgement was entered against you.

    Some states will allow you to reopen the case if you can show good cause why you did not respond. But, it has to be a good reason.

    There are some here that will argue that the attorney must have affidavits and other proof that you owe the money, even in a default situation. But, if you default, the allegations of the complaint are taken as true, and no other proof is usually required.
     
  8. lilgong

    lilgong Well-Known Member

    may I ask, how old this phone bill is? and which collection agency? you need to see if this phone bill was still in SOL for your state,,
     
  9. TONYL

    TONYL Member

    First of all thanks to all for replying with useful information. Lilgong, this was sold to the CA November 1998 so it's still in SOL. The CA is Professional Credit Analysts of Minnesota.

    In an attempt to "answer" to the summons, I called the attorney and left a recorded message to say that I am answering to the summons and that the CA refused my offer. Called the number again today and now realized that the greeting clearly says that "your call is not an answer to the summons" which I missed beforeage. Stupid, I know. I should know better that these things normally need a written response. I guess that's why I received in the mail yesterday, a copy of Garnishment Summons to my employer. From this, I gather that a judgement on me occured.


    So now I have the following questions:

    1) If I can borrow the roughly $1500, can the garnishment be stopped if I can pay in full or is it too late?

    2) What changes are there to the credit report for garnishments and how bad is it?

    3) They calculate the garnishment based on disposable earnings--I use a great deal of this "disposable earnings" to continue my installments with other creditors so this garnishment will drag me deeper into the hole. Wonder if I can increase my 401(k) contributions during the calculation so that they arrive to a lower garnishment amount. That should work shouldn't it? (Not running away from an obligation but trying to keep on schedule with other high monthgly payments to 2 other creditors).

    Basically, I am trying to find ways to avoid worse credit reporting. I'd rather borrow the money from a family member and put a stop on the garnishment from proceeding if I can.
     
  10. TONYL

    TONYL Member

    bump
     
  11. lilgong

    lilgong Well-Known Member

    how much longer do you have to answer the garish papers? my sister got nailed, original discover amount 2,000, CA got default judgement fro 5131,she found out about it in one day, bank acct seized, standing on the street w/o a dime, then went home, to find garnishment info papers from the court, she got a lawyer, the agreed to end teh garishment, report the judgement as satisified, they kept 2,300 in her acct, and wanted another 600 that day, to end garishment,,, so yes of course try to settle, I mean lets face it the CA paid pennies on the dollar for the debt, this attorney nevre had to go to court, got a default,,, do they want to sit around and wait for the money via garishment, or take a reasonable settlement,,,,, by the way, for my own curiosity and fear, I see Minn has 6 yr SOL on everything,, but nobody, lawyers included has ever been able to tell me, Is a phone bill a written contract ( you nevre have a written contract unless its cell phone) or an open acct for purposes of SOL,,, when you got your papers summons and complaint did it say, what the phone bill was in terms of SOL,,? thanks,,,
     
  12. TONYL

    TONYL Member

    You're scaring me. Freezing a bank account? Thats a f***ed up law if it allows it. I can live with wage garnishments but not this!

    In terms of length of time to answer garnish? Well, I think the summons requires action from my employer only now. They have to fill out this worksheet to determine the amount. I just sit like a duck and wait for the bullet basically. I would love to see if I can hold everything up and show them the money in their faces so they drop the whole thing.

    With the SOL thing--no the summons did not have anything about what the phone bill falls under. I am so pissed off because I have just comleted a wave of settlements and slowly working down the list.I was going to call them and set up $50/month payments until the enbd of the year and settle for the rest them when I get a bump in my salary.

    I am looking for a loan right now but still don't know if I can freeze the garnishment. If any knows the possibility of doing that this far in the game or how it further affects the credit rating, please let me know.
     
  13. Hal

    Hal Well-Known Member

    If they obtained a judgement against you I think you should obtain a copy of the judgement from the court clerk and review it carefully. Determine the method of "Service" for the summons for the original hearing and pour over the judgement itself for inaccuracies.

    Depending on what your state laws say there is a chance the service is not valid, which could allow you a chance to have the judgement dismissed. They would likely file again but at least you would have a fresh chance at defending yourself. In some states service by mail to your last known address is acceptable, in others it must be personally served. While working for a D.A.'s office in California, I became very aware of the fact that private process servers often falsify service if they are having difficulty finding you. Their general hope is you simply won't fight the judgement.

    You should also check your state laws regarding garnishments. In most states if the amount they are attempting to garnish will make it difficult for you to meet your living expenses you can file a motion with the court to have it reduced to an affordable level - this is often called a "paupers oath". You would have to provide a detailed accounting of your income and expenses and the court clerk will normally be able to provide you with a form for this purpose.

    As for garnishing bank accounts - in most states any funds in the account or posted to the account on the day the garnishment is served upon the bank are frozen for a period then turned over to the sheriff or constable to process and release to the creditor. Funds deposited in banking days following would require new garnishments. The bank can usually deduct a processing fee, and the sheriff almost always will. The amount of time the funds are held varies by state, but normally it is to offer you the opportunity to request a hearing to have some or all of the funds exempted. Normally the only funds exempted are those that you can prove were the result of a deposit by a joint account holder that is not a party to the judgement.
     
  14. QUEEN_BEE

    QUEEN_BEE Well-Known Member

    Sure it, but it happened to me. They put a hold on my account for nearly $10K, my account was in the negative, needless to say, for a little more than $9k. I settled for A LOT LESS than they were asking. They did release the garnishment and report it to the courthouse as released. The garnishment showed up on my credit report within 3-4 months.
     
  15. TONYL

    TONYL Member

    So even after settlement they still reported the garnishment. How long does it stay on the CR? Did you get an idea of how much your score went down at all? Today, I am going to contact the court clerk, ask for the default documents so I can review for any descrepancies that will allow me to re-open. That way I can buy time because they would have to go back to step one which will allow me to do the right thing and actually respond! Boy I can't forgive myself for not responding to the original summons. I made a $20 ATM withdrawal today just so I can focus at work today. My girlfriend shares bank accounts with me so it may be interesting.
     
  16. lilgong

    lilgong Well-Known Member

    you need to see if there is anything, that is not correct with judgement, and then see if you can file a motion to vacate the judgement, then they will come back having perfected their case and file again, Minn requires the CA and Attorney to be licensed and bonded, have you checked this out? also, I have read on other sites, it doesnt matter with your acct with girlfriend, they will freeze the acct, and then work out later what was her money and release just that to her, although I have to say, maybe they dont want to go that route, cause they would have aleady done that, under Minn law they can garish 25% of your take home,, we never understood how the judgement on my sister was 5131, but they froze her acct for 10,000, then they agreed to take the 2,300 in her acct, and 600 more, the act of the garishment never showed up on her CRAs just the judgement, which killed her score big time,, and the joke is, after they "settled" the judgement, and send her a letter of settlement, they never reported it to the court as satisfied, but adjusted their CA tradeline on her report to the difference of 5131 minus 2900, plus interest, being updated every month,
     
  17. Hal

    Hal Well-Known Member

  18. TONYL

    TONYL Member

    Visited the Judgment Department at the district court shown on the Garnishment Summons. They did not find anything with my name! There's a box on this summons that was not checked and reads "Judgement as entered on______(blank)" so I think it's safe to say no judgment has been entered. Instead the other box is checked that reads "Debtor is in default pursuant to Rule 55.01 of the Minnesota Rules of Civil Procedure for District Courts"
    Found the this rule at :

    http://www.courts.state.mn.us/rules/civil/RCP.htm

    So my thinking then was they need to get the employer to respond to the garnishment summons before the entry of judgment. Hal's link to the MN state law on Garnishments confirmed this. It states that a creditor may issue a garnishment summons
    "at the time the civil action is commenced or at any
    time after the commencement of the civil action, but before the entry of a judgment, if the court orders the issuance of the garnishment summons pursuant to section 571.93".

    My part, according to this summons, is to sign and mail back an authorization to either the Garnishee or Plaintifff's attorney. Guess my time frame coincides with my employer's 70 days after service of summons. My plan, before getting to that is get the money first, call the attorney, try and settle and have the garnishment proceedings dropped. I'd rather avoid the damage on my credit report and owe a relative money at this point after working so hard at paying off over half my $8,000 debt in half a year. Would entertain any more advise what I should in the interim but I think at this point, it's loan-shopping for me.

    Y'all been great. I'll keep you posted what happens.
     
  19. lilgong

    lilgong Well-Known Member

    defintely dud, if you get get a loan from a family member, do it,, then call these fools,, remember, deal with them,,, see if you can settle for less, although I odnt know how much less they will go, but since judgment hasnt been filed yet, your CRAs are still OK, once it hits them, then its there for 7 yrs, Big hit, and when its reported satisfied, your score will go up a meesly 20 points,, you dont need this, I know its hard, to get bit in the butt, as you are trying to clean up,, make sure you get everything in writing, especially that this is settled in full, they settled with my sister to end the judgment, but still cont to report the difference, worse than that you dont want the CA selling off the rest, and a new CA on your reports and after you,,, good luck,,,,,,,,
     
  20. TONYL

    TONYL Member

    Wow! I cannot deal with a seven-year tarnish right now. I have a lot falling off at the CRA's in the next two years which will improve my ratings quite a bit. A garnishment will take me two steps back and one forward. I'm spending the weekend cash-hunting!
     

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