Pp?

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by james, Jan 4, 2004.

  1. james

    james Well-Known Member

    I opened a POD (pay on death) checking account with US Bank in May 2003. I listed my mother as the beneficiary. This is not a joint account and she has no legal right to any funds in my checking unless I die. US Bank pulls soft's on Equifax for their AR's? They pull an AR on me every other month. They pulled an AR on my mothers EQ report in July 2003! Do they have a permissible purpose to do an AR (account review) on my mothers Equifax report? I know it's only a soft, but my mother is pi$$ed. She feels that they had no reason to look at her credit. I agree. Does she have any chance with a non Pp letter requesting $1000 to settle this situation out of court? Soft or hard inq's any different when it comes to Pp? This was not a PRM but an AR soft inquiry.

    TIA
    James
     
  2. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    Nothing is a slam dunk in life, but if you read the PP section of the FCRA, it specifically states "review or collection of an account of the consumer your mother doesn't have an account with them :)

    BTW - why are they reviewing your account?
     
  3. james

    james Well-Known Member

    I was told that they review all of their accounts. I asked if I could opt out and was told no. Maybe it's to market their c/c's and loc's.
     
  4. jenz

    jenz Well-Known Member

    no, its to make sure your credit is in good standing.
     
  5. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    SEND A "NO PP" LETTER and ask them to remove the AR from mother's credit report...OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES
     
  6. jenz

    jenz Well-Known Member

    better make sure she is only a beneficiary on the account...on the POD accounts, they usually don't ask for SSN on the beneficiary.
     
  7. james

    james Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Pp?

    Yes, she is only a beneficiary. I talked to them and they confirmed this. When I opened the account, I was told that her SSN would only be used to find her if I ever died to transfer my $ to her. Liars!
     
  8. cinderella

    cinderella Well-Known Member

    Hmmm....

    All our financial accounts are individual, listing only DH as the sole account holder. But, for every account, I am listed as the beneficiary.

    AND, Every account, exept one, has my SSN#, requested by financial instititions. It was **explained** to me that it would be easier for the account to automatically be transferred to me with DH providing my SSN#.

    Were they just putting me on???
     
  9. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Pp?

    Pulling AR's for marketing is illegal, there is an opinion letter that states this very specifically!

    I would find out why a bank is pulling AR's. Do they intend on changing your service charge based on your credit standing?

    Do they intend to close your account if your credit starts deteriorating?

    I would find out exactly WHY. Today.
     
  10. jenz

    jenz Well-Known Member

    they probably were, but if they aren't doing AR's i wouldn't worry about it. what came to my mind when i read your post was that im betting it was for tax purposes since most people don't keep the account since they usually have their own accounts.
     
  11. lbrown59

    lbrown59 Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Pp?

    But what does his mum have to do with his credit atanding ??????????????
     
  12. james

    james Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Pp?

    I have drafted this letter to send to my mother to sign and send CRRR to US BANK. Any suggestions or feedback would be greatly appreciated.
    TIA
    James


    To whom it may concern:

    During a standard review of my credit files from the three major credit reporting agencies I was dismayed to find an inquiry posted by US BANK, NA in July of 2003.


    As you are probably aware, the credit reporting agencies regard inquiries as a statement of
    fact and will not allow a consumer to dispute them. They maintain that if the inquiry is on file then the company listed did in fact view the consumerâ??s record.

    Since it is unlawful under the Fair Credit Reporting Act for a person to view a consumer
    report without a â??permissible purposeâ?? I am writing this letter.

    I don't recall applying for credit or employment with US BANK, NA. I am a beneficiary
    on my sonâ??s POD checking account, but this can not be construed as a â??permissible
    purpose.â?? Since, I have no business relationship with your institution there was no
    â??permissible purposeâ?? to review my credit.

    From the FCRA § 616. Civil liability for willful noncompliance [15 U.S.C. § 1681n]

    "(b) Civil liability for knowing noncompliance. Any person who obtains a consumer report
    from a consumer reporting agency under false pretenses or knowingly without a
    permissible purpose shall be liable to the consumer reporting agency for actual damages
    sustained by the consumer reporting agency or $1,000, whichever is greater."

    From the 1998 FTC opinion letter Greenblatt at
    http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fcra/greenblt.htm

    "Any person who procures a consumer report under false pretenses, or knowingly without
    a permissible purpose, is liable for $1000 or actual damages (whichever is greater) to both
    the consumer and to the consumer reporting agency from which the report is procured."


    Also from the Fair Credit Reporting Act:

    § 617. Civil liability for negligent noncompliance [15 U.S.C. § 1681o]
    (a) In general. Any person who is negligent in failing to comply with any requirement
    imposed under this title with respect to any consumer is liable to that consumer in an
    amount equal to the sum of
    (1) any actual damages sustained by the consumer as a result of the failure;
    (2) in the case of any successful action to enforce any liability under this section, the costs
    of the action together with reasonable attorney's fees as determined by the court.

    Please explain your permissible purpose for obtaining my credit file. Should US BANK,
    NA not have a permissible purpose, US BANK, NA is liable for damages of $1,000 or
    greater.
    I am willing to accept an immediate $1,000 settlement rather than pursue this matter in
    court. I am also requesting that the AR inquiry on my credit report be deleted.
    I look forward to hearing from you to resolve this in an expeditious and amicable manner.
    You may reply to FAX number (xxx) xxx-xxxx or by mail at the above address.
    Sincerely,
    xxxxxxx
    __________________________________________________
     
  13. jlynn

    jlynn Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Pp?

    I would delete this. You do not want to GIVE information, you want to GET information. Heck, I don't think you even have to TELL anybody they are the POD beneficiary...might be interesting what they come up with.
     
  14. 420greg

    420greg Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Pp?

    I would leave out the part about the POD account.

    If they checked your mom's credit they better be able to tell her why. Don't give them a place to start or a loophole to use.

    Take out the part about them paying your $1000, get them to admit they made a mistake in writing.

    You want a letter from them like this:

    Sorry for the misunderstanding, we pulled your CR by mistake, and have removed the inquiry...blah blah blah...

    That letter is worth $1000.

    I would be nice at first and a little less threating, get them to admit they pulled with out PP.


    My letter would look like this:

    I noticed you pulled my credit from (CRA) on xx/xx/xxx. Could you please tell me why?

    Thank You
     
  15. lakpr

    lakpr Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Pp?

    Jenz,

    Apart from Lbrown's question about what his mother got to do with his credit standing, I've another question.

    This is a pay-on-death CHECKING ACCOUNT ... meaning they are OP's own funds. No credit involved. WHY ARE THEY CHECKING HIS REPORTS??

    If they are worried about bouncing checks etc ... they should be doing ARs on ChexSystems report .. not EQ. EQ does not list NSF checks in its report. What information could they be looking for?

    James, I'd suggest you bank elsewhere.
     

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