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Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by Plysaker, Nov 12, 2003.

  1. Plysaker

    Plysaker Well-Known Member

    Losing Clients Because of Their Bad Credit?
    Here are Some Helpful Tips:

    Any Loan Officer with even a month in the
    origination business has experienced the complication of clients
    with marginal credit. Even with the dizzying array of sub_
    prime products available, many borrowers cannot qualify for a
    suitable loan because of credit issues. When faced with this,
    originators are put in a lose_lose_lose situation: The borrower
    doesn't get the loan, the originator and the firm earn no
    income, and the long_term_referral and repeat_business
    relationship is not established.

    While many originators throw up their hands and simply move on
    to the next client, there are some proactive steps you can
    guide your clients through to repair their credit. By offering
    this guidance, you establish a helpful, trusted, long_term
    relationship with the client and often fund their loan even if
    its two months later. Here are some tips.

    First, give your clients accurate information. Seem obvious?
    Perhaps it is, but I say this because I frequently hear
    experienced loan officers giving inaccurate information
    concerning credit reporting and credit scores. The rumor mill
    is in full gear when it comes to this topic. One myth being
    disseminated is the notion that paying off old collection and
    charge_off accounts improves the borrower's chance of getting a
    loan.

    In general, derogatory credit remains in a consumer's credit
    file for seven years (Chapter 7 bankruptcies last 10 years)
    that's seven years from the date last active. By paying off
    these old accounts, the date last active changes from say, six
    years ago, to the current month, and the seven_year clock
    starts all over again.

    To add insult to injury, credit scores are weighted by how
    recent the derogatory accounts are. A one_month_old "Paid
    Collection" account does far more damage to a credit score than
    a six_year_old "Charge Off." While it may seem ironic that
    making good on one's obligations can hurt a consumer's credit,
    it does and I have personally lost loans because of this
    misdirected action.

    A client in this situation may have a couple of effective
    methods at their disposal. If the client has the cash
    available to pay off the old accounts, they should call the
    creditor reporting the collection account. It is important
    that they insist on speaking with a credit manager that has
    authority to negotiate settlements. Speaking with a low_level
    bill collector will get them nowhere. Once this individual is
    found, the client should offer a settlement of 70% or so (be
    flexible) of the outstanding balance. This offer must be on
    the condition that the status of the account be reported as
    simply "Paid", not "Paid Collection" or "Paid was 60", etc.,
    and the date last active remain unchanged. Make sure the
    client receives this agreement in writing prior to making any
    payment. Once the account is paid, the client loses all
    leverage.

    It is important to note that the older the account is, the
    easier it is to negotiate such a settlement. If a settlement
    cannot be reached, typically the best approach is to wait until
    closing to pay off the account. At least this way, the file is
    underwritten with the older derogatory information affecting
    the credit score. Although conforming programs will require
    these old accounts to be paid off, many sub_prime programs do
    not have such requirements. In this case, the client should
    simply let the old accounts fade off the credit report with
    time.

    A common myth is the impact of inquiries on credit scores.
    Just this morning I heard a radio advertisement from a mortgage
    company with the message, "Don't use those other mortgage
    companies. They will pull your credit file, and every time
    they do it, your credit score goes down. While this scare
    tactic marketing may produce some business, it is absolutely
    incorrect and, in my opinion, unethical.

    Inquiries fall under the general category "Pursuit of New
    Credit." Also in this category is "Length of Time Since Most
    Recent Account Established." I can assure you that two new
    credit_card accounts opened last month will do far more damage
    to a credit score than a few inquiries. Additionally, the
    entire category "Pursuit of New Credit" is fourth on a list of
    five categories that affect credit scores (which I outline
    below), and is estimated to carry a weight of 20%_30% in
    determining a score. Simply, inquiries, unless excessive and
    recent, have very little impact on credit scores.

    Even more important is the way mortgage inquiries are now
    handled. First, they have no impact on a credit score for
    thirty days (the same applies to auto loans). Additionally, all
    mortgage inquiries within a 14_day period count only as one
    single inquiry. The aforementioned radio spot was clearly
    using misleading information.

    As promised, listed below in order of importance are the
    factors that impact credit scores:

    1. Previous credit performance
    Major delinquencies
    Length of time since last delinquency
    Judgments, bankruptcies or liens

    2. Current level of indebtedness
    Proportion of balances to credit limit
    Total amount owed
    Number of open accounts

    3. Amount of time credit has been in use
    Age of account
    Length of time since account opened

    4. Pursuit of new credit
    Time since last account opened
    Inquiries

    5. Type of credit used
    Number of revolving accounts
    Number of finance company accounts

    Second on the credit_score list is the category "Current Level
    of Indebtedness," which includes the sub categories "Proportion
    of Balances to Credit Limit," "Total Indebtedness" and "Number
    of Open Accounts." I'll use a "war story" to illustrate.

    A potential client arrived at my office to apply for a
    conforming refinance. During the initial interview, he
    announced that he had "A+ credit." He knew this because he had
    never been late, and every credit card company in the country
    wanted to give him a card. What he, and most consumers, don't
    know is there are many factors other than late payments that
    affect credit scores.

    When I pulled his credit report, I discovered that he was
    absolutely correct. He had never been late, and every credit
    card company in the country wanted to extend him credit.
    Unfortunately, he had accepted nearly all of those offers. He
    had 32 open accounts (including 4 gas station cards and 11
    department store cards), and all of the smaller accounts were
    maxed out. His credit score was 595, a conforming loan was out
    of the question, or was it?

    Step One: Close Accounts. Obviously the "Number of Open
    Accounts" was a factor in the client's credit score. I
    immediately instructed him to close all of the "junk" accounts,
    while keeping his major credit cards. (Gas station and
    department store credit cards can be an important part of a
    credit_reestablishment program; otherwise, too many of them can
    drag down credit scores.) He didn't have a lot of cash
    available so we refinanced these cards by rolling their
    balances into his major credit cards, and then closed the
    smaller cards out. This ended the "Number of Open Accounts"
    issue altogether.

    Step Two: Increase Credit Limits. This is an excellent
    technique, regardless of the number of open accounts. "Maxed
    out" credit cards can really hurt credit scores. Generally
    speaking, consumers that borrow every penny available to them
    are on the road to trouble. It is a proven risk factor. A
    credit card with a $5,000 credit limit and a $5,000 balance
    costs significant points. The same card with a $500 balance
    earns points.

    I instructed my client to call his credit card companies and
    request credit_limit increases. After closing most of his
    accounts, he only had 4 open credit cards, and three of the
    four creditors complied with his request _ each increasing his
    limits by several thousand dollars. Now we had solved
    his "Proportion of Balances to Credit Limit" problem. Keep in
    mind, this technique only works if the client does not use this
    new credit.

    All we had left to do was to sit back and wait for this new
    information to be reflected in his credit files. A month
    later, the client returned and we pulled his credit. I must
    confess I was amazed. His score had improved by a whopping 67
    points. We closed his loan two weeks later.

    Normally I don't get this personally involved in my client's
    credit repair process. Rather, I simply give them a free copy
    of my booklet titled Guerrilla Credit Repair that discusses
    meticulously "The Five Myths of Credit Reporting," and the "10
    Steps to Building A+ Credit" including the removal of old bad
    credit items and adding new good credit. In addition, there
    are special chapters on bankruptcy, divorce and student loans.
    This has proven to be a very effective marketing tool for me
    and my loan officers.

    For information on receiving a copy of Guerrilla Credit Repair
    send a BLANK email to FICO_Doctor_2@mortgagepro.par32.com
    The subject line and the message body must ALL BE BLANK or your
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    However the credit repair process is accomplished, your
    guidance to the client will not only aid in solidifying your
    long_term relationship, it can also get those "impossible"
    loans funded.
     
  2. ¤Fl¥¤girl¤

    ¤Fl¥¤girl¤ Well-Known Member

    1. One myth being
    disseminated is the notion that paying off old collection and
    charge_off accounts improves the borrower's chance of getting a
    loan.

    2. In general, derogatory credit remains in a consumer's credit
    file for seven years (Chapter 7 bankruptcies last 10 years)
    that's seven years from the date last active. By paying off
    these old accounts, the date last active changes from say, six
    years ago, to the current month, and the seven_year clock
    starts all over again.

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    OK everything I have ever read so far on this board has said that THIS information is incorrect.

    1. Negotiate for TL deletion before paying off. And you CAN get paid collection TL's deleted with some persistence.

    2. Re-aging an account for making a payment is illegal.

    (did I pass the test?? :) )
     
  3. crowmom

    crowmom Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: READ THIS: BOOST FICO, reliabl srce

    paying off old derogs might help your chances of getting a loan from certain lenders who actually LOOK at your CR (not JUST your score). Most of them require these old accounts be paid so that there are no concerns later. They want you to be focused on paying your house payment, not worrying about some old creditor getting a judgement and garnishing you. Our mortgage lender made us pay everything off (sheesh i wish i'd have known about this board back then) but paying them wont help your scores.

    Try telling Psychdoc that. ;)

    WRONG. Holy Lord who wrote this? Experian? lol
     

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