26 We conclude that the statements of Finletter and Harmon can be reasonably read to assert privilege over technical information about the B-29. The formal claim of privilege made by Secretary Finletter states: 27 The defendant further objects to the production of this report, together with the statements of witnesses, for the reason that the aircraft in question, together with the personnel on board, were engaged in a confidential mission of the Air Force. The airplane likewise carried confidential equipment on board and any disclosure of its mission or information concerning its operation or performance would be prejudicial to this department and would not be in the public interest. 28 (Claim of Privilege by the Secretary of the Air Force (emphasis added).) 29 Appellants and the Government disagree on whether the pronoun "its" refers only to the electronic equipment on board or the B-29 airplane itself. While both readings are conceivable, the Government's is more logical. It is more natural to refer to an airplane's mission than to refer to the confidential equipment's mission. At the very least, the statement is readily susceptible to the reading preferred by the Government. 30 Appellants' contention about the meaning of "its" in the claim of privilege is also completely undercut by the statement in their original Supreme Court brief that "the Secretary for Air [sic] in his claim of privilege states (R. 22) that `any disclosure of its (the airplane's) mission or information concerning its operation or performance would be prejudicial"' and that it was "obvious that the Air Force considers that all details concerning the operation of the airplane are `classified."' (Brief for Respondents submitted to the Supreme Court at 35 n.4 (emphasis added) (parenthetical alteration in the original).) 31 Nothing in Judge Advocate General Harmon's affidavit contradicts the Government's contention that the claim of privilege referred to the B-29 itself rather than solely the secret mission and equipment. 32 * * * * * 33 Because there is an obviously reasonable truthful interpretation of the statements made by the Air Force, Appellants are unable to make out a claim for the perjury which, as explained above, forms the basis for their fraud upon the court claim. We, therefore, conclude that Appellants failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. 34 We will affirm the judgment of the District Court. Notes: 1 The United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit has set forth five elements of fraud upon the court which consist of conduct: "1. On the part of an officer of the court; 2. That is directed to the `judicial machinery' itself; 3. That is intentionally false, willfully blind to the truth, or is in reckless disregard for the truth; 4. That is a positive averment or is concealment when one is under a duty to disclose; 5. That deceives the court."Demjanjuk v. Petrovsky, 10 F.3d 338, 348 (6th Cir.1993). Although other United States Courts of Appeals have not articulated express elements of fraud upon the court as the Sixth Circuit did, the doctrine has been characterized "as a scheme to interfere with the judicial machinery performing the task of impartial adjudication, as by preventing the opposing party from fairly presenting his case or defense." In re Coordinated Pretrial Proceedings in Antibiotic Antitrust Actions, 538 F.2d 180, 195 (8th Cir.1976) (citations omitted); see also Rozier v. Ford Motor Co., 573 F.2d 1332, 1338 (5th Cir.1978) (holding "only the most egregious misconduct, such as bribery of a judge or members of a jury, or the fabrication of evidence by a party in which an attorney is implicated, will constitute a fraud on the court"). Additionally, fraud upon the court differs from fraud on an adverse party in that it "is limited to fraud which seriously affects the integrity of the normal process of adjudication." Gleason v. Jandrucko, 860 F.2d 556, 559 (2d Cir.1988). Other United States Courts of Appeals expressly require that fraud upon the court must involve an officer of the court. See Geo. P. Reintjes Co. v. Riley Stoker Corp., 71 F.3d 44, 48 (1st Cir.1995); Demjanjuk, 10 F.3d at 348. The Ninth Circuit noted that "one species of fraud upon the court occurs when an `officer of the court' perpetrates fraud affecting the ability of the court or jury to impartially judge a case." Pumphrey v. Thompson Tool Co., 62 F.3d 1128, 1130 (9th Cir.1995); see also Weese v. Schukman, 98 F.3d 542, 553 (10th Cir.1996) (noting that "fraud on the court should embrace only that species of fraud which does or attempts to, subvert the integrity of the court itself, or is a fraud perpetrated by officers of the court") (citation omitted); Kerwit Med. Prods., Inc. v. N. & H. Instruments, Inc., 616 F.2d 833, 837 (11th Cir.1980) (same). 2 In this view that we take, we extend to Appellants the full reach of case law that prescribed required elements of "fraud upon the court." Were we to proceed otherwise, the following discussion would not have been necessary to affirm the judgment of the District Court 3 Even if we concluded that the Air Force's claim of privilege could not be read to include concern about revealing the workings of the B-29, we would be obligated to consider whether certain information contained in the accident report actually revealed sensitive information about the mission and the electronic equipment involved. The accident report revealed, for example, that the project was being carried out by "the 3150th Electronics Squadron," that the mission required an "aircraft capable of dropping bombs" and that the mission required an airplane capable of "operating at altitudes of 20,000 feet and above." (Report of Special Investigation of Aircraft Accident Involving TB-29-100BS No. 45-21866.) Our conclusion that information about the workings of the B-29 was included within the claim of privilege makes it unnecessary to engage in this analysis. If such an analysis were necessary, it would require a certain amount of deference to the Government's position because of the near impossibility of determining with any level of certainty what seemingly insignificant pieces of information would have been of keen interest to a Soviet spy fifty years agoSee e.g., Knight v. C.I.A., 872 F.2d 660, 663 (5th Cir.1989) ("[E]ven the most apparently innocuous [information] can yield valuable intelligence."); C.I.A. v. Sims, 471 U.S. 159, 178, 105 S.Ct. 1881, 85 L.Ed.2d 173 (1985) ("Foreign intelligence services have both the capacity to gather and analyze any information that is in the public domain and the substantial expertise in deducing the identities of intelligence sources from seemingly unimportant details. In this context, the very nature of the intelligence apparatus of any country is to try to find out the concerns of others; bits and pieces of data `may aid in piecing together bits of other information even when the individual piece is not of obvious importance in itself.'" (citation omitted)). CC∅ | Transformed by Public.Resource.Org
However, the method you espouse is fraud, pure and simple. The OP is being sued. The OP needs to follow the Rules of the OP's jurisdiction.
Helpful?? I'm sure that posting the full context of the decision would be helpful if you also pointed out what you see that is or might be helpful. In otherwords, what is your point?
Fraud? In order for a fraud to have taken place the OP would have to make some statement to the court or to the plaintiff in order to commit a fraud. Courts do not ask defendants whether they have other judgments against them. Plaintiff's attorneys find out about such things in diverse ways. They quite often simply place their garnishments and wait for the reply from the employer which would be that a garnishment is already in place for the full amount allowable by law. If the defendant is asked whether or not they have any other garnishments he must reveal that he does. Fraud must be proven if alleged as well as who committed the fraud and how it was done. Quite frankly, I don't care one way or the other. I'm not advocating that anyone do that nor am I trying to sell anything. It is simply something that I am aware of and that I did with my own property many years ago. I have never had any reason to put it to the test however and I hope that I never do. I've never used it to garnish my own wages but if I were ever sued I might very well do so. On the other hand, I seriously doubt that I would for the simple reason that if I were ever sued it would be because I lost my job and could not find other employment. Even if I lost my job I would not be getting sued because I don't have any debts that I can't pay off easily. I have enough cash saved to pay off any debts I might have, my home is paid for and I pay off any credit cards every month. My vehicles are all paid for too.
I talked to a lady that works in a bankruptcy lawyers office. She said if he was to come in she would file an entry of appearance for him. She also said that some of the time once you do that the plantiff will drop the case. Because such a small debt isn't worth their time fighting you over. She also said the entry of appearance would buy us an extra 20 days. She gave no other advice other than that. So I guess we will file the entry of appearance to give our selves 20 extra days to figure out how to write this answer. Does anyone know if doing this is the right way to go?
You could probably get the same thing for free by filing a motion for extension of time to seek legal assistance. I've never seen a judge deny that yet.
This is what the petition for indebtedness page says: Comes now the plaintiff and for cause of action against the defendant alleges and states: 1. Unless you within 30 days after receipt of this notice, dispute the validity of the debt, or any portion thereof, we will assume the debt to be valid. If you notify this law firm, Love, Beal & Nixon, P.C. in writing, within the 30 day period, that the debt, or any portion thereof, is disputed, our law firm, Love, Beal & Nixon, P.C. will obtain verification of the bedt and mail a copy of the verification to you. Upon your writted request within the 30 day period our law firm will also provide you with the name and address of the original creditor, if different from the current creditor. This is a communication from a debt collector. This communication is an attempt to collect a debt and any information obtained from this communication will be used for that purpose. (I DO dispute this debt, however since I have already received a summons. I guess I need to file an answer to the summons then request verification.) 2. Citibank, provided credit to the defendant on a written agreement to pay. The indebtedness arising therefrom has been duly assinged to Asset acceptance, plaintiff herein. (I don't think my husband ever took out credit with Citibank. We had taken out a loan with Washington Mutual, and when they closed the local office in town the loan was transferred to Citi Financial. I have a receipt that this has been PAID) 3. After all applicable credits, the defendant remains indebted to the plaintiff in the amount of $, Plus $, which represents interest from the date of default through December 22, 2008 with interest accruing at the rate of 5.000% per annum. An Affidavit of Account and/or contract is attatched hereto and incorporated by reference. WHEREFORE, Plaintiff prays for Judgement against the defendant in the sum of $ with interest as set forth above, all court costs and a reasonable attorney's fee of $ and for such other and further relief as to this court may seem equitable, just and proper. Now for how the heck do I answer these without knowing if this is actually my debt, or if this is in fact the debt that I have a receipt that I paid off. I did some research and found some common used 'answers' . What do you think would be most appropiate in my case, or will work best? PICK WHICH STATEMENTS ARE MOST APPROPRIATE TO YOUR SUMMONS COMPLAINT AND RESPOND TO EACH PARAGRAPH AS SUCH: 1. Defendant denies the allegations contained in Paragraph - of the Complaint as Defendant is without information or knowledge sufficient to form an opinion as to the truth and accuracy of alleged assignments and entitlements. 2. Defendant lacks knowledge about the truth and therefore deny allegations contained in Paragraph, Plantiff has failed to provide Defendant with any kind of account numbers or documentation for alleged credit card debt. 3. Defendant lacks knowledge about the truth and therefore denies the allegations contained in paragraph -. 4. Defendant denies the allegations contained in Paragraph - as there is not, nor has there ever been any agreement, written, oral or implied with the Planiff and Defendant. 5. Defendant denies the allegations contained in Paragraph -. 6. Defendant denies any alleged obligation to Plantiff in Paragraph -, as there is not, nor has there ever been any agreement, written, oral or implied between the Plantiff and Defendant.
Why do you think that one is better than the sworn denial of debt? What do you plan to do about discovery?
Ok.. I guess Im confused.. I thought that even if I do the sworn denial I still had to 'answer' the summons? Am I wrong?
The sworn denial is an answer and if you file a sworn denial of debt that is all you need to file for the time being. What will you do about discovery?
Honestly I have no idea.. I trying to take it one step at a time.. I guess I'll have to figure it out once that time comes. What I'm hoping for is when I do the sworn denial they will just drop the case. My husband is being sued for such a small amout I would hope it wouldn't be worth their time to persue. I think they are just looking for a default judgment. Which they arn't going to get! When I send the sworn denial should I also file a copy of the receipt I have showing that I had paid off loan? Granted I don't know if its the same debt or not. I think it is, however I find it hard to swallow they would actually try to sue over a debt that has already been paid. Thats why I question this debt, and would really like to know more about it. Other than they say I owe x amount. I want to see the actual written contract they say my husband signed. With that I would know if this is the same debt or not.
That time has already come. Your demand for admissions needs to go out to the attorney at the same time you send them your response. That is possible but I would not count on it. [/quote] My husband is being sued for such a small amount I would hope it wouldn't be worth their time to pursue.[/quote]Quit hoping and start thinking about reality. It may seem small now but if they get a judgment and a garnishment it will soon be much more expensive. The lawyers don't care because they get paid no matter what happens. They will hound you to death and keep piling up the amount you owe them. If you don't pay up they will garnish wages and that will cost even more. Hundreds of dollars more. They might like a default but they are confident they will get a judgment. They don't care whether it is a default or a summary. All the same to them. No. Save that for later in court. Finding out is what discovery is for. Use it wisely. Getting that is called Demand for Production of Documents and is part of discovery.
I have had my husband look over some of the links I have saved regarding cases like this. He wants to send a validation request to the attorney and file a sworn denial with the court. You had asked me earlier what we were going to do about discovery. In my demand for production of documents this is what I have come up with so far. A Copy of the ORIGINAL signed Citi Bank- loan Application, and contract. A Copy of the COMPLETE Payment History Concerning this alledged Citi Bank account, (OR SHOULD THIS BE ASSET ACCEPTANCE SINCE THEY ARE THE ONES SUEING?) A Copy of each Monthly Statement during the active Months/Years of this Account, Signed Contracts or Any Agreements between you & CitiBank that you personally; or you has been assigned to the debt in question. Please include dates of said Agreement/Contract & Signatures of all parties involved in the requested Agreement/Contract, Sworn Affidavits to the Authenticity of all Documents, Do I need to ask for anything else? Or remove anything?
No, if you are going to allege that you need to have proof that it is and should be filed as a motion to dismiss based on SOL. If you can prove that it is beyond SOL and intend to use that defense it should be filed at the same time as your graduated denial. If you file motion to dismiss you will also need a notice of hearing signed by the judge setting a date for your motion. Chances are that they will not provide you with all the documentation you demand. Maybe none of it. If they don't then you will have to use subpoena dueces tecum to get at the documents. I realize that when I told you about subpoena dueces tecum you have no idea what that is so google that term and learn about it, how it is used, why and under what circumstances. That way if you need it you will know all about it. You don't need a judge's signature on it but you will save time and grief if you get it signed by the judge before you send it. If it isn't signed by the judge it really carries no weight at all and you will have to waste time doing it all over the right way. Why are you considering sending demand for production of documents prior to sending demand for admissions? If you don't use admissions first you will be hurting your chances that demand for production of documents will be successful. As I said before, your demand for admissions should carry about 40 or so items you want them to admit to but you can't ask them any questions in the process because if you do they will claim that your demand is for interrogatories and you will get nothing at all out of them except replies that are of no value whatever. They will use every excuse in the books to evade your questions. Make them admit to things first then go after them with admissions and if necessary you can use interrogatories to pry the answers out of them. Doing that way will make the process last much too. You probably want to delay the almost inevitable as long as possible and spreading it out that way helps get the job done.
My husband wants to go ahead a file the sworn denial today aswell as send a verification request to the attorney. Here is what we have so far. Dear Collector: This letter is being sent to you in response to a summons sent to me on February 17, 2009. Be advised that this is not a refusal to pay, but a notice sent pursuant to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, 15 USC 1692(g) that your claim is disputed and validation is requested. This is NOT a request for "verification" or proof of my mailing address, but a request for VALIDATION made pursuant to the above named title and section. I respectfully request that your offices provide me with competent evidence that I have any legal obligation to pay you. Please provide me with the following: a simple accounting of the debt, the name and address of the original creditor, and the original account number. Also, please show me that you are licensed to collect in my state and provide me with your license numbers and your Registered Agent. Your anticipated cooperation in this regard is greatly appreciated. Best Regards, This is the sworn Denial: SWORN DENIAL "I ,XXXXXXXXXX, deny that this is my debt and if it is my debt, I ,XXXXXXXXXX, deny that it is still a valid debt and if it is a valid debt, I ,XXXXXXXX, deny the amount sued for is the correct amount". _____________________ XXXXXXXXXX Defendant Sworn and subscribed before me this _____ day of ______________, 20___ _______________________________ Notary Public My commission expires: _____________________ He wants to get this stuff filed asap (today) then work on the discovery. And file that next week. When he goes to the court this afternoon he plans on asking the clerk how we go about filing the discovery process. Maybe she will give us more information that pertains to our local court. You lost me when you were talking about demand for production of documents prior to sending demand for admissions. I though discovery was a demand for documents and that was our next step? What is demand for admissions?
There you go trying to use some piece of garbage you got off the internet somewhere after some of us here have told you not to do that. Discovery is never filed with the court. The clerk will tell you that they don't want it Demand for admissions is just what it says it is. (example)Admit that you have no documentation to support your claims that the Defendant owes money to the Plaintiff. Then when they deny that you can demand that they produce the documentation they claimed they have when you submit your demand for documentation. If you don't do it that way then you are just on a fishing trip and that will get you nowhere fast. If they say they have something you want or need for your defense then later fail or refuse to produce it you can use Subpoena Duces Tecum to force them to produce it.
I can't help but wonder if when the CAs and CRAs scan your letters after they get them, if they don't also analyze the text for some of those key phrases found in the letters pulled off the internet boards (e.g. "this is not a request for verification..."). Then, when they find some of those, just send the letter and the scan into the bit-bucket. I thought I read that somewhere as one of the ways they tried to adapt to the flurry of letters they get from "credit repair" sites and businesses, but I could be mistaken.
As you can probably tell I'm not the best writer. I had to find something that sounded professional (something I would not have been able to do myself). So yes I used one I found on the internet. Although I didn't use one of those long winded ones that threaten lawsuits etc. Without this board and other sites I have found. I would not have even got as far as filing the sworn denial. The collection agency would of got a default judgment on a debt I don't believe I owe. I know absolutely nothing about law and had never even heard of sworn denial, notice of appearance, demand for admissions etc. before all this. I must say this has been a learning experience. And I have you to thank The court told us today that we didn't need to file anything else. Which had us confused until I read your reply. If I don't file it with them thats the reason they don't need/want anything else. I guess this is something else I need to work on to send to the attorney?