We require your FINGERPRINTS

Is it ok if they interview your neighbors before processing a big purchase, just to rule out you being a deadbeat? Like you said, "If you're not doing nothing wrong, what is there to be afraid of"?


Saar

 

This kind of thing is why I'm beginning to think that for myself, I'm going to only use credit for large purchases, such as, Mortgage, Auto, and remodeling. This credit card crap is getting rediculous. If it isin't the "security thugs" attacking you 90% of the time you make a larger purchase, it's the "show your ID" BS, that clearly is in violation of Visa/Mc policy, or, it's the "getting the transaction denied" for some stupid reason lunacy. If I can't use a debit card, then I'll go elsewhere.

 

This was posted by xhardc0rex in the general forum, or moved to the general forum, I think it should be in the forefront myself.

Skip the terrorism concerns, or terrorism excuse to do this and then do a google search on "Total Information Awareness" it's scary stuff! That is, the pentagon implementing a way to search all databases, personal and otherwise. The new patriot act allows it as does the HIPAA.

The HIPAA while I've been tooting it's horn for a hole that doesn't allow medical information reporting to CRA's (though clearly that is NOT the intent of the sections, so no doubt it will be corrected at some point) -- it allows governmental access to our medical records, we won't even know it. The one thing that didn't pass with or as part of the HIPAA, as intended, it's not gone just too much media focus, was the national ID. I say, once what remains of our medical privacy goes, it's all gone.

I'm not big on conspiracy theories but everything is pointing to a world database. Marci, Marc and I got off on a side-thread tangent about this before. It is mind-boggling truly and all happening right under our noses with reasons that make it swallowable for us to lose our rights as Americans, one by surely one.

Sassy

"Is Big Brother Our Only Hope Against Bin Laden?"
Salon.com (12/03/02); Manjoo, Farhad

The U.S. Defense Department's Total Information Awareness (TIA) program is an ambitious effort to collate all personal data--business transactions, relationships, registrations, etc.--on foreigners and citizens in an effort to spot suspicious activity that could precede a terrorist attack. The technical problems of implementing it are formidable: To know virtually everything, a practical impossibility, requires a massive amount of data; database integration difficulties will complicate deployment, while keeping track of databases will also be troublesome; and TIA's mandate to monitor seemingly normal activities that may be statistically construed as possible preparation for a terrorist incident--in real time, no less--could generate many false positives. This raises the question of whether the system should narrow its focus to time-honored terrorist characteristics, or follow more generalized behavior patterns in order to thwart new kinds of attacks. Stanford University computer scientist Jeffrey Ullman, for one, thinks TIA is essential to civilization's survival, because information technology has the potential to root out evil and shield personal freedom. Other researchers are hopeful that federally supported programs such as TIA will result in more overall research funding.

However, civil libertarians are calling the project an invasion of privacy, and are also displeased in the appointment of former national security advisor John Poindexter to lead the program for the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which is sponsoring TIA development. Meanwhile, statistician Bobby Gladd sees the project as a waste of time and resources that could be put to better use in furthering information analysis. Nevertheless, computer scientists believe TIA could be acceptable to the public, as long as its technology and policies are publicly debated, and its policymakers are trustworthy.

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2...a/index_np.html

 

John Ashcroft said just today:

"We will track down a terrorist for even writing a check".

 

Maybe it's also detrimental to homeland security if they ask for a blood sample to cross reference your DNA to the fingerprint that you submit. Although a urine sample would also provide DNA material. Hmm...

 

Are you sure this is store policy....or the young lady's policy, because she felt she was loosing face?

 

....hmmmm...I've heard some people like toes...maybe she likes finger prints.

 

Here's a flow chart, check out those commercial collectors, amazing!!!!!!!!!

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/TIASystems.htm

We should be glad I supposed that we at least know who they are (the big dogs anyway)

Sassy

 

If I get stopped by a police officer and he asks if it is ok for him to search my vehicle, he will have to obtain a warrant before I allow him to do so. It has nothing to do with not having done anything wrong or having anything to hide, it is about personal liberty and freedom.

Maybe I am paranoid, but I believe we as a people are far to willing to provide government and business the means necessary to continue to whittle away at our freedom and privacy.

Gib

 

"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Gib

 

AMEN Gib and Ben!!!!!!!!

Sassy

 

You gotta see this, LOL!

I do hope the link works:

http://www.musicforhackers.com/DARPA_Total_Information_Awareness.swf

Sassy

 

Big brother is still watching!!!

 

Here's the prob.

You get stopped and the cop wants to search your car. He tells you "if you don't co-operate, we'll tow it into the station". It'll probably ruin your transmission too.

Whatya do now?

???

 

Sue their ass for illegal seizure. If you refuse to let them search the vehicle, they will radio for either a canine, or to obtain a warrant. If they get a canine there and the dog alerts, that gives them probable cause. Either way, if they have the time to waste, so do I.

Gib

 

Just because there out to get you,dosn't meen your paranoid .