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It's not always clear what "prime" means and some prime cards are easier to get than others that would be consider prime. The low end for scoring is no doubt in the 600s. 680+ would make someone a good candidate for a prime card with many lenders. The other thing is that certain lenders don't go entirely on the three digit scoring systems but use their own, for example Citibank. There is alot of variation so it's hard to generalize.
MY WIFE HAD A F.I.C.O. OF 741 WAS DENIED AMEX CASH BACK PLAT.
DENIED FLEET TITANIUM
NEXT CARD GAVE HER A "BAIT AND SWITCH" 3 MONTHS @ 9.99% THEN 18.99%
BANK ONE TRIED TO JACK UP INTEREST RATE TO 12.99% FROM 9.99%
I HAVE A F.I.C.O. OF 698 WAS DENIED AMEX CASH BACK PLAT "PRE-APPROVED" ON AMEX WEB SITE.
DENIED CITIBANK PLAT SELECT
DENIED CAPITAL ONE
DENIED FLEET TITANIUM
FIRST USA TRIED TO JACK UP RATE TO 22.49%
TOO MUCH CREDIT.
Hit a brick wall.
I got a citibank platinum select with a 575 equifax score somehow. $4000 limit.
Sam, did you apply and get approved online? How many negs do you have?
below is listed some guidelines for "prime" credit (as well as the other rankings) as far as mortage requirement considerations;
Considered the best credit rating. FICO scores are generally 660 and up with no late mortgage payments and less than one 30-day late revolver or installment loan payment. No bankruptcy within past 2-10 years. Maximum debt ratio allowed is 36-40% and maximum loan-to-value ratio is 95-100%. Good/excellent credit during last 2 to 5 years. No bankruptcy within the last 2 to 10 years.
FICO scores from 620 - 659. Two 30-day late mortgage payments and two - three 30-day late revolver or installment loan payments in the last twelve months. No 60+ delinquencies allowed. Must be 2-4 years since bankruptcy discharge. Maximum debt ratio averages 45-50% and maximum loan-to-value ratio is 75-85%. No 60-day mortgage lates.
24 - 48 mos since bankrupt discharge. Higher number of continual/rolling lates may be allowed.
FICO scores from 580-619. Three - four 30-day late mortgage payments allowed and four - six 30-day late revolver or installment loan payments; or two to four 60's. Must have 1-2 years since bankruptcy discharge. Maximum debt ratio 55% and maximum loan-to-value ratio averages 70-75%. 12 - 24 mos since bankrupt discharge. Continual/ rolling lates allowable.
FICO scores below 550. Two to six 30-day late mortgage payments or one to two 60-day late payments. Payment on Revolving and installment loans are generally late. Possible current bankruptcy or foreclosure allowed with all unpaid judgments to be paid with loan proceeds. Stable employment required. Maximum debt ratio averages 60% with max loan-to-value of 65-70%. Bankruptcy discharge within last 12 months. Judgements to be paid with loan proceeds. Not in foreclosure.
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The figures are "typical". Most lenders have requirements that fall within these guidelines.
Delinquencies and other requirements are not cumulative. Various combinations are allowed but worst-case situations, e.g., maximum number of 30-day plus maximum 60-day, etc., in combination with other blemishes, will generally push the borrower to the next lower credit level. Mortgage lates are the most important, especially as credit levels deteriorate.
Credit patterns are important. More than a few credit cards or outstanding loans may signal a problem, as do a large number of recent credit inquiries.
A demonstrated willingness to maintain payments is important. Constant/rolling lates are less important than late payments that occur sporadically because they signal an effort to pay.
If you are applying for a home loan, though, you will not be expected to
maintain a 900 point FICO score. In fact, a score of over 650 is
generally worthy of an â??Aâ? paper loan. This means that the borrower will
receive the best loan rates and will be required to complete minimal
underwriting paperwork. If the score is below 650 but above 620, the
borrower will be required to produce more documentation but will still
probably receive â??Aâ? rates on the loan. Scores below 620 will typically
force the borrower to seek higher risk, higher cost financing such as â??Bâ?
through â??Dâ? loans.
This is a general guide to what is called "A-B-C-D" credit. These grades are typical of the requirements used by many lenders, but are not absolute grades. Individual lenders typically have similar but somewhat different specifications. Keep in mind that late payments, called "lates", are generally tracked within the previous 12-month period.
Considered the best credit rating. FICO scores are generally 640 and up with no lates on mortgage and no more than one 30-days-late on revolving or installment credit. No bankruptcy within past 2-10 years. Maximum debt ratio is 36-40% while maximum loan-to-value ratio is 95-100%. This type of credit will demand the best interest rate available!
B+ to B-
General good credit with FICO scores from 590 - 629. Two or three 30-days-late on mortgage and two to four 30-days-late on revolving or installment credit. Cannot have any 60 day lates. Must be 2-4 years since bankruptcy discharge. Maximum debt ratio averages 45-50% while maximum loan-to-value ratio is 90-95%. This type of credit will obtain rates 1-2% higher than current market rate.
C+ to C-
Fair credit with FICO scores from 570-580. Three to four 30-days-late on mortgage are allowed. Installment or revolving credit can have four to six 30-days-late or two to four 60-days-late. Must have 1-2 years since bankruptcy discharge. Maximum debt ratio runs around 55% with maximum loan-to-value ratio averaging 80-90%. This type of credit will generate rates 3-4% higher than current market.
D+ to D-
Overall poor credit history with FICO scores from 570 and lower. Two to six 30-days-late on mortgage or one to two 60-days-late, with isolated 90 days late. Revolving and installment lates show poor payment record with pattern of late payments. Possible current bankruptcy or foreclosure allowed with all unpaid judgments to be paid with loan proceeds. Must have stable employment. Maximum debt ratio averages 60% with max loan-to-value of 70-80%. This type of credit will result in high interest rates (12-14%), but borrower can always refinance after one year of "on-time" mortgage payments to bring rate down.
Please keep in mind these are "general" guidelines. Some lenders assign different grades or use different grade definitions based upon their own method of evaluation.
Always remember to check your credit report for errors once a year! It is estimated that 50% of all credit reports contain errors significant enough for an individual to be denied a loan!
Q: "Do the scores differ amongst the 3 bureaus or is it a general figure?"
A: yes they differ amongst the three bureaus
George, just curious, what is your wall? I hit mine at $150,000.
MY WALL WAS JUST OVER $100,000...
Too much credit available, even though I have a pretty good F.I.C.O. 698...
Never had excuses about income being too low...
A REAL GOOD EXCUSE..."TOO MANY OPEN ACCOUNTS WITH BALANCES"
the local credit union here said a B score is worthy of their standard visa card, $1000-3000 limit, 13% APR fixed no fee's.
WHAT IS A "B" SCORE???
The credit grades are all dependent on what kind of credit you're asking for ...
a HOME LOAN is secured by the house, an AUTO LOAN is secured by the car... credit cards are normally unsecured cards, and most banks have tougher standards for cards than for loans.
Some banks (Fleet, Bank One) have tougher standards for credit cards than for unsecured lines of credit. That's why some banks use custom scoring models for different kinds of loans.
I'd say you're prime at 650 or higher, DEPENDING on income, debt ratios, and factors (i.e. I had a 708 FICO with 30% balance to limit ratio and 22% debt to income ratio, $170k household income, but because of a BK in '95, I have to work a little harder to get a prime card (usually talking with the new accounts people, sending copies of what was filed in the BK, etc.). So am I prime? Yes to most loan officers who look at the whole thing, no to most automated decision systems.