sassy, Yes discrimination is very bad as a whole factor, but more importantly individual it can kill your drive and your will. Normally i really won't respone to things like this but most people that talk about there is no discrimination have rarely if any have experience it.There are many variables in discrimination in which to point out, to many to list here.In today world it's call "passive discrimination" i can list them by the hundreds but just to give you a few of my own:driving,banking,business.My background is i grow up poor black in middle america hearing the cries of people who just wanted a chance to be on a level playing field .Unlike most states indiana is rual america near a big city but small.My first experience in being discriminate against came by back when i 6yrs.old(1970) in riverside,ill. where my mother was house cleaning lady for a white female doctor whoes kids never came to see her until she died.We came out of the supermarket and then some guys riding in car said the words i will never forget "hay ******s" i didn't know who they were talking to only because my mother taught us hate.I went on to the military, finish college, start business until pesent.But still a faced discrimination in life on a daily basis.For those who don't understand still read this book:"Yet a stranger" why black americans still don't feel at home. By deborah mathis.I could write forever on this subject but, will it ever go away,don't count on it but hopeful. gucan2
Thank you, gucan2, for sharing your experiences with me. I am glad you felt strongly enough to respond. Nice to meet you, btw, and welcome! I hope nothing you read in the other thread led you to believe that I thought discrimination was non-existant. I am sorry for your life experiences that were so ugly, I really am. It is wrong gucan2, it was wrong that it happened to you and remains wrong. I understand how what we have lived forms who we are and how we view the world. I truly hope the discrimination you still face isn't as intense as that which you faced when you were younger . You have succeeded by anyone's standards, despite the ugliness and all that was unfair and dumped on you. You have created a life that you can be proud of -- the military, college and your own business! Thriving in spite of the obstacles! Phooooooey on all of them that tried to stop you and make you believe you were less than you are. That's how we can all make a difference, by living good, and being good, and doing good, despite it all! Refusing to live a lie that others would have you believe and try to force on you. Don't ever let anyone kill your spirit, gucan2, stand up and stand up again! What is wrong is wrong, and I will stand up with you. I will get that book and read it, thank you for suggesting it, and for your honesty in answering that you doubt it will ever go away but are hopeful. Sassy
Sassy I know you're still swaying, but i thought we would change the song to John Lenin's "Imagine"? It seems more appropriate for these threads. humblemarc
marc, HEY, what do you mean I'm still swaying? We're still swaying AND I changed the music too, good taste you have! Here's a bic, let's flick them too! ;-) Sassy
hello? posting vague, possibly inflamatory messages, and you can't even dignify it with a response. humblemarc
is this suppose to be funny in any way.Playing of music, or pity for the people that happen to.Well it's not so if you have nothing postive to add don't say anything.oh but i forgot freedom of speech feels good dosen't it.Just remember how you got it. Gucan2
What the Hell are you talking about? You are not making any sense! Have you read the original thread you are referring to, or what i was talking about with Sassy? And just for the record(not that it's any of your business), when i was 4 year old, i had burning crosses and "KKK" spray painted across my front yard. We had police patrolling our house for 2 weeks afterwards(that's just one story), so please spare me whatever "The man is keeping me down" sob story you have had. As i have said before, most people in the world have been thru much worse than you or i have, and manage to not be bitter or anger or whatever you are feeling. Those emotions do nothing but make the problem worse. This is what Sassy has been saying, and i know for a fact that this is TRUTH, which is why i am swaying with her right now. You are the one who doesn't get, and i truly feel bad about that, because life is so much more beautiful, when focusing on love and kindness, then on all the other negative emotions that dominate most people's lives. humblemarc p.s. Since we're are recommending literature. Have you read "The Color of Water" It was a NYTimes bestseller and was written by one of my extended family members.
The really cool thing about the internet is that so many of those things become non-issues. We just meet mind to mind and heart to heart. I have made many good friends here, and I have no idea their "shade of melanin" - nor do I care.
Passing out the lyrics: Imagine Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky, Imagine all the people living for today... Imagine there's no countries, It isnt hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace... Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man, Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say Im a dreamer, but Im not the only one, I hope some day you'll join us, And the world will live as one.
wooooooo hooooooooo, Ya'll can sing! Check this out, my eyes were bugging out as I was reading this, it's called the digital race, that's all of us, and this is how it ends: "Big Brother isn't watching us at all. He's playing with our voodoo dolls." The voodoo dolls are us as stored in databases, data images of ourselves, and used to segregate us into tidy little boxes! http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/archives/14/datamining.html Sassy Editing wanted to ask this part, because I've a question about it: MicroVision assembles its segments by merging hundreds of data sources, among them the 1990 U.S. census (which gives average ages, incomes, and home ownership), consumer and financial data from the Equifax credit-rating databases, and a lifestyle survey of 20,000 people which asks about data as specific as restaurants, oil changes, long-distance companies, and TV shows. "...consumer and financial data from the equifax credit-rating databases..." Isn't that information protected? or is it that equifax already owns it, so they are just redistributing the same information in a different way? Sassy
Ever seen "Gallaga", with Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman. Project this "info-gathering technology" 50 years into the future, and there's that movie. But as the article tries to say, "They" want to treat us as easily quantifiable(sp?) robots with set responses to certain stimuli. I wonder why? humblemarc
Sassy, I am so glad you posted that -- I was about to myself I was afraid that perhaps gucan didn't know the song, and thought you guys were just being frivolous about a very serious and painful issue.
Sad humblemarc This is why i know you don't have a clue "what man holding who down" you think this about some pittyshit or damn hand out, so now i know you are so far in left field that you can't be helped so keep on living in that bubble that you are in.life is REAL not the rosie way you make want it to be but the way it is.So deal with it , for so long people want to pretend that passive discrimination don't exist so those who it effects can't protect themself from it. Because if you pretend it dosn't exist then you would assume that there's nothing there. but i'm here to let you know it does happen..And for the record don't belive in color, i belive in ONE RACE the human race but to down play it is a no-no and i can't do it so i tell it like it is period no sugar coating at all.When i was in college i woke one morning with police rushing me and my roomates out of beds to take us to jail and to charge us with rape of a white girl in terrehaute Indiana, that didn't suprise me but what did was my confession was already printed for me ready to sign. Luckly my professor was a detective there in the station and happen to walk by and seen me there and he resolve the problem. the girl in question was dating a black guy that was my roommate,and her father didn't approve of it. In a state were he was the largest land owner, but this didn't happen right? rodney king? unharmed black shot 20 times in ny.blackman with a broom stick up his ass in newyork and the cops that had no ideal how it got there? the 20 men on death row in illionis later in be found not guilty, the polices in l.a.found guilty for framing black guys that had be in prison for yrs.or for small black business owner that loses every thing because he can't get a loan at the local bankand forced to go to a subprime lender at a much higher rate.yet this should not matter right?wrong i won't let it pass, now that's the problem. i guess you must think there is no justifiable grievances,no unresolved serious complaints just business as usual? P.S.I have b.a. is in crim and i worked in prison were i seen things happen you can't imagine take place but i forgot according to you it didn't happen or "the man holding me down trip" you have been watching to much tv. you have to live in reality not a make believe world in which all you have to do is wish about love and every thing bad will go way.in order to make a change you must first know that there's a problem that exist . p.p.s keep living you're get it,make be?
My dear friend, This will be the last time i respond to your post. Again, i am sorry you have been through such terrible incidents in life, I truly have COMPASSION AND SYMPATHY for you, BECAUSE I have been through similar things and probably worse. There is no reason to tell all my personal stories on this board, so i won't. But rest assured, i have experienced them. I just CHOOSE to live a harmless, peaceful existence, where discrimination, hatred, etc. make me sad, But does not affect how i treat others or care for their general well-being. If you consider this looking at the world through rose-colored glasses, so be it. I truly wish you peace and happiness in your life. humblemarc
