The LAW about asking for ID

Discussion in 'Credit Talk' started by allen074, Nov 16, 2002.

  1. allen074

    allen074 Well-Known Member

    Ok... a few years ago I thought it was illegal for a merchant to ask for ID when using a cc...

    what is it today?

    I went to my local Boston market today... they know me by name there, I am there best customer.

    I used my PICTURE citibank card and the girl was like "can i see some id", i said "no", she said "we cant accept it then"

    What's funny is that the transaction was for 9 dollars. they do not make you sign the receipt. Earlier I went to Bed Bath and Beyond, spent over $100 the girl never even looked at the card.

    So what is the law?

    :)
     
  2. sldruck5

    sldruck5 Guest

    i believe the law is that even if the picture and signature are imprinted on the front of the card you must also sign the back. beyond that they cannot ask for any more ID. unless their is a message on the register when they scan the card to call the credit card company. if they call the credit card company and the company asks them to check ID then they must ask to see youre drivers license or they will be in violation of their agreements with the credit card issuer.however i do not know if the credit card issuer asking them to check ID is actually legal or not.
     
  3. MandyB

    MandyB Well-Known Member

    I had always thought that Visa and/or Mastercard International didn't allow the merchants to check for id IF the card was signed and the signature matched. A few months ago there was a similiar debate here on the board and I think that people said that id COULD be requested.
    As far as the card w/ the picture, the cashier should've been able to see the BIG picture and accept the card. My Citibank has a picture and my signature embossed on the front of card but some cashier was insistent that I sign the back. I wimped out and did.
     
  4. Ozzyburger

    Ozzyburger Well-Known Member

  5. lena

    lena Well-Known Member

    You are correct. The only time they can ask you for ID is if the card is not signed and you sign it in front of them. They will then ask for ID and compare the signatures.
     
  6. allen074

    allen074 Well-Known Member

    The worst part about it is that I am a customer of theirs for over 4 yrs, half of the time they have my meal ready before I even enter the door.

    I think I will be asking for the manager the next time I enter.

    Here is an example... Target... you swipe the card yourself and put it back in your pocket. I have never been asked to see the card to match the sig's and NEVER have I been asked for ID.
     
  7. lena

    lena Well-Known Member

    I just re-read this.

    I live in Florida, and at the Boston Markets here, they don't even make you sign the ticket if the charge is <$20.
     
  8. allen074

    allen074 Well-Known Member

    You are correct Lena... they changed their systems about 6 mos ago... first it was anything under 10 no sign, now its anything under 25 no sign...
     
  9. waalien

    waalien Well-Known Member

    The Targets and Wal-Marts out here (California) make you show ID to use a credit card, even if you're using the card swiper thingie. I asked once why, and they said they'd had a lot of people use stolen cards using that system.

    Dunno. I don't sign my cards anyway, I write in permanent ink "PLEASE ASK FOR ID". Half the time people don't, if they're doing the swiping as opposed to me. I always thank people for checking when they do so.

    :)
     
  10. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    VISA/MC PROHIBITS ASKING FOR ID ON A SIGNED CARD...it is also ILLEGAL in many states!!!

    It is also a VIOLATION OF THE LAW (in some states) and VIOLATES VISA/MC POLICY to have a $20.00 min charge...or charge an additional fee to use a credit card...
     
  11. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    I HOPE YOU CANCELED THE SALE!!!!!!!!!!
     
  12. Butch

    Butch Well-Known Member

    You probably ran into another nitwit teenager who couldn't even look up the word "bigpicture", let alone see it.

    Another product of our public screwall system.

    :(
     
  13. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    I DON'T SHOW ID ON MY SIGNED CARDS...I WOULD CANCEL THE SALE AND WALK OUT IF THEY DON'T BACK DOWN...I ALSO HAVE MY LETTERS FROM VISA/MC ABOUT ID, EXTRA FEES, AND MIN. CHARGES (IN MY WALLET~~~I WHIP IT OUT IF I REALLY NEED THE STUFF AND CAN'T GET THEM TO BACK OFF)!!!
     
  14. ArmySarge6

    ArmySarge6 Well-Known Member

    Is there somewhere on the net to view this law? I have no idea where to even begin to search. Thanks.
     
  15. allen074

    allen074 Well-Known Member

    george, where can i get these letters?
     
  16. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    SEE ID
    CID<----(I get some when I cashier---->"Your MARY SMITH, WHO IS CID"???)
    SEE LICENSE
    UNSIGNED CARDS

    ARE EXEMPT FROM THE LAWS
     
  17. techman

    techman Well-Known Member

    I have a Visa/MC merchant account and I CANNOT ask for ID. If I suspect a problem I am to call a special # and verify the card is still valid.

    I can lose my merchant account if I ask for ID and the person complains ( not likely but theoretically possible )
     
  18. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

  19. GEORGE

    GEORGE Well-Known Member

    HOW TO COMPLAIN

    When merchants violate the policies described here, report them to Visa, MasterCard, and
    American Express. Address your letter to:

    Visa USA
    Consumer Relations
    P.O. Box 8999
    San Francisco, CA 94128

    MasterCard International
    Public Relations
    2000 Purchase Street
    Purchase, NY 10577

    American Express
    Customer Service
    PO Box 297812
    Ft. Lauderdale, Fl 33329-7812
    1-800-297-1234 (U.S.) 336-393-1111
    (collect) 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 a.m., EST

    In your letter, give the name and location of the merchant and a copy of a credit card sales slip.
    The sales slip is needed by Visa and MasterCard to track down the offending merchant.
    American Express provides card-members with a toll-free number to call if they have difficulty
    with a merchant. Make sure you have the complete details about the merchant and the problem
    before you call.


    ***If a merchant is uncooperative, take your business elsewhere.***
     
  20. PsychDoc

    PsychDoc Well-Known Member

    Here's what I don't understand: Why would anyone object to showing an ID? Whenever I present a credit card at Wal-Mart or wherever, I present my card and my photo driver's license. I just do it reflexively. I figure that this makes it easier for the cashier.

    Important note: There is no law anywhere that says a merchant can't ask for an ID. This is a myth. Certainly no thinking legislature would pass a law like that because there would be no reason for them to do that.

    Important note number two: I just telephoned VISA International at 1-800-VISA-911 and asked whether it was against their internal regulations for a merchant to ask for photo ID. The answer was "no." Here's a full quote (and you are welcome to call yourself to confirm):
    "If there is any reason that the merchant feels that they need additional information to confirm the customer's identity, then the merchant may ask for additional identifying information."

    Finally, people sometimes act as if it's a terrible inconvenience or an awful slap in the face when a merchant asks for an ID. I consider it a favor to me -- if everyone did that, I wouldn't have to worry as much if I lose my wallet.

    Doc
     

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